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12-05-2011 @ 1:52PM
Rock and a Hard Place needs to give his a friends a friendly smack upside the head. Let me see if they understand this correctly: they can't be bothered to follow guild procedure to get raiding spots and then complain that they don't get raiding spots? Tell them that if they want to benefit from being with the guild, they have to actually make the effort to qualify for such benefits. Do they want spots in the non-progression raids? Use the event calender! Do they want spots in the progression raids? Have they tried, uh, asking to be included? Have they tried running a dungeon with the people in charge of the raids to demonstrate their skills? Tell your friends that they need to do some of these things if they want to get results, and to stop complaining until they have something legitimate to complain about.Apocalyptic GM actually has the easier case here: his brother is being irresponsible and needs to suffer the consequences of his behavior. Demote him, semi-permanently. I say "semi" because you want to leave the option open for him to redeem himself if he straightens out his act.
12-05-2011 @ 2:55PM
I have actually done this. It seems to be working. The whole issue really stems from the fact the two friends have 0 power in the guild. They are new, have not even completed the trial phase yet, I have and love the guild. They have been GM's, raid leaders, or officers for most of the last 7 years so they really struggle with being one of the regular folk, which breeds the complaining. There is always this feeling in the air that thy wouldn't do it this way or why do I have to do that it's dumb, I would't ask someone to do that. I have learned a lot about these two friends in the past few weeks. They are wonderful people, great to play with and general good company but as far as WoW goes they are out for their own fulfillment first and not the good of a group or guild.
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