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12-07-2011 @ 12:21AM
"Secondarily (or in some cases primarily) the appeal of the item can simply be due to some very difficult-to-reach goal. 'Look at me, I did X'. To achieve that from our side there needs to be a high barrier of entry to obtain the item or else everyone can get it, the item loses its special 'show off' value, and as a way to be unique from other players it has completely lost all value."That a phrase like this enters a conversation about character visual and conceptual customization, in blue text, makes me absolutely sick. When will people start living as their characters and stop feeling the need to compete? That Blizz perpetuates this inflated competitiveness is really depressing. I've had so much fun this week! I completed my first 25 man raid ever, I capped valour for the first time ever, and yet, at the core of it all, the game is still, even on a level of realizing visual concept, angled so, even in PVE, people play "against" each other, not "with" each other.
12-07-2011 @ 12:32AM
When will people start living as their characters and stop feeling the need to compete?When people stop being insecure and begging approval in everything they do. Which is never.
12-07-2011 @ 12:47AM
I don't see what's so sickening about it. It's a demonstrated fact. Acknowledging this fact is not really the same thing as perpetuating it. People want to look special. A core part of being special is revealed in the origin of the word.(from http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/special )Middle English, from Anglo-French or Latin; Anglo-French especial, from Latin specialis individual, particular, from species species.The Sparkle Ponies were an excellent example, but definitely not the only example. The same thing has happened with virtually every item from the pet store, and also happens whenever there is more than one comparable item for a particularly visible gear slot, such as shields or shoulders. I myself used Crygil's for most of Wrath for no other reason than it wasn't the Royal Crest, which everyone else had equpped.
12-07-2011 @ 12:52AM
SAtating the fact is one thing, I follow you there, Zap, but essentially framing it as "and this is why we do it" feels like they are perpetuating it."To achieve that from our side there needs to be a high barrier of entry..."No, there doesn't, not for visuals. We could quite conceivably "get dressed" and feel conceptually comfortable as our characters for little barrier of entry, and then go climb the mountains of logistical improvement. Blizz just decides to put that conceptual comfort on the same mountains, and that's lame, IMO.
12-07-2011 @ 12:53AM
Ahem... that should have started with "stating"... not starting a devil cult here..
12-07-2011 @ 2:08AM
@omedon666 Well you do have 666 in your name...just sayin'. :PAs to your point, the sad fact is, most people are pretty competitive, whether they realize it or not. Everyone wants approval, or some kind of slap on the back and a "good job!" said to them. It's part of human nature. From sports, to war, to love, we always want to be the "winner" or at the least, be noticed for our deeds. I for one, never thought I was very competitive. I had little interest in sports, though I watch occasionally, never play online games (Words With Friends being an exception), I've never pvp'ed in my four years playing WoW. But let a friend and I do dailies together, and I'm racing to get the quests completed before him. Absolutely no reason to that, but something clicks in my head and off I go. We both also play hunters, and constantly wage battle in our dps numbers. We couldn't care less about anyone else in a group, oit's just both of our numbers we look at (which are generally second and third, occasionally first in the dps meters).It's, silly, arbitrary and makes no sense, but that's just how it goes. Right or wrong, Blizzard realizes this aspect of human nature and plays to it, and I think does a pretty good job (outside of the damned FL dailies).
12-07-2011 @ 7:08AM
With transmogrification Blizzard is allowing us every opportunity to be as individualistic as we can possibly be. It is our lemming-like nature for the vast majority of people to want, "the best armor" or whatever to show off. The thing I have a problem with is the people who feel they are all of a sudden entitled to getting X gear as easily as possible for cosmetic purposes. No. It's not how it works, and frankly it's not how it should work. If you want something that is now considered "rare" you are going to have to put the time in it.
12-07-2011 @ 8:10AM
I don't care at all for how difficulty it's to get something, or how many other players are using it: I use whatever pleases me (and rarity does not play any role in how much some cosmetic option pleases me).My 310% mount was shelved the very day the speed increase extended to all fliers (I really disliked it's appearance); on it's place I started using a simple normal flying mount. In LotRO, most of my cosmetic wardrobe is composed of cheap items and low level quest rewards that match quite well. Had Transmogrification been available earlier, the first thing I would have done to each and every tier piece I got would have been to transmog it - perhaps with the appearance of the low level dungeon sets introduced with Cataclysm, I find them more pleasing to the eye than any tier set.I read that blue post as Blizzard telling me to bugger off, since WoW is not intended for players like me, who don't like to show off.(Of note: I don't care at all about the cosmetic versions of old tier pieces being hard to get. As I said, I didn't like the appearance of any tier piece, at the very least, since BC. Too over the top for my tastes.)
12-07-2011 @ 9:21AM
They've applied the raider philosophy ("You must work hard for what you want!!") to what I thought was supposed to be a fun mechanic, Noyou. What people think is the "best armor" is going to vary from person to person, as we all have our own individual personal asthetics, so Blizzard is being silly by saying that Person A must work for what he likes while Person B does not simply because Person B's choice happens to not be on Blizzard's arbitrary list.As I see it, Blizzard added transmogging as a non-raiding thing to do, which is good, and then saddled it with that raiding mindset, which is bad.
12-07-2011 @ 9:57AM
I don't want X gear to show off. I want little x gear to get those damned shoulders out of my line of vision, and to get that damned giant headed glowing staff out of the way. That more than anything is why I am still ticked off about losing my permanent tree form.I want a very understated set of shoulders and a simple stick for a staff. However, to be useful in raids, I have to have these absurdly huge, glowy, effecty things that are difficult to see around. It's bad enough being a tauren, but do I really have to put up with the rest of that crap?What bugs me is that the pieces I really want aren't eligible because they don't have stats. I found a "big stick" that is acceptable, except that it still glows on the end. I found shoulders from a replica set that is acceptable enough, but it is going to take forever to get them since the pets/mounts are a priority (in a competition with some friends for most pets/mounts).I don't want the pieces for vanity; I want them for usability.
12-07-2011 @ 11:37AM
Don't know that I'll ever get over losing tree form, Eggbur... :-(
12-07-2011 @ 11:55AM
I go with whatever armor fits the character personality I have in my head. I don't RP, but each of my characters has a personality I connect with, or I can't enjoy playing the character. I still miss my troll priest and mage (in my head, they were brothers) but I truly enjoy my goblin mage and priest too :)My night elf druid's set consists mostly of Classic greens and a blue or two for a humble look, but that's mostly because it fits her personality. And I tell ya, random world greens are even harder to get than epic tier gear. I've been looking since transmog was announced and I still haven't found my Archer's Boots or Daggerfen Shoulders. I'm okay with that, but the artificial gating for transmog DMF gear does make me mad. If I want my character to look like x, why make it artifcially difficult to do so? It's not for prestige. No one thinks dungeon 1 sets are prestigious. No one ever did. It's to stretch out the content, nothing more.
12-07-2011 @ 3:08PM
They really showed their commitment by not making the old "vanity" vendor whites non-Mogable.
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