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12-08-2011 @ 1:25PM
Can we please stop with the "all Varian Wrynn needs to pull him together is for Jaina Proudmoore to consent to being his Replacement Goldfish" crap? Please. Pretty please. With magical sugar on top. It's fucking vomitous, sexist "all a man needs to be good is a good woman" gender-essentialist bullshit with extra added terrible disrespect for the integrity of both characters storytelling.
12-08-2011 @ 1:31PM
Don't sugar-coat it. Tell us how you really feel.BTW, without all the quasi-political terminology, your point is 100% accurate. The idea of Jaina standing near Varian, telling him to "Please calm down, your Majesty!" is... nauseating.
12-08-2011 @ 1:37PM
Whoa, where'd that come from? How in the world is it sexist? It has absolutely nothing to do with gender and I'm pretty sure I never discussed Jaina being a woman as part of this. In fact, I pointed out that their relationship doesn't have to be romantic at all.They're the two major human lore figures, both stuck in a rut, and the two of them would balance each other out. The only person making this sexist is you.
12-08-2011 @ 1:41PM
@NagainaThat is not the case. All Alex pointed out was that Varian could use a friend that's level headed to help him cool off. You, know a friend that, when you're angry and you're about to do something you'll regret, stops you and holds you back and tells you to calm down? It just so happens that Jaina is the closest thing to that as of right now. She also happens to be a woman. Does it have to be her? No, of course not. Could it be someone else? Yeah. Could it be a guy? Sure! You're taking this way out of proportion.
12-08-2011 @ 2:11PM
I think the anger comes not from the article, so much as the fact that the level-headed, but sometimes emotional woman being used to balance out a proud but angry man is sort of a cliche. Absolutely, the article stipulated that they don't have to be romantically involved, but there's still an undeniable Jane Eyre/Rochester dynamic at play.I'm surprised that Blizzard is so conservative with most of its prominent female characters. One of the reasons that Sylvanas is so popular, in spite of being pretty villainous, is because she's one badass woman: love her or hate, you have to respond to her, and she takes a backseat to no one.Why not add a few more tough women? Zeibart correctly identifies Joanna Blueheart as having wasted potential. Tyrande should go back to being the badass hunter she used to be. Moira has potential, and the Alliance could use a darker leader. Hordeside, you have Lady Liadrin (awesome!) sitting there unused while Bore-Themar files paperwork, and Gallywix is awol while any number of cool goblin women are available.
12-08-2011 @ 3:06PM
While I won't go as far as to call it sexist, I agree with not making Jaina the grounding influence for Varian, if only to avoid some hackneyed romance subplot from popping up in the future. The bitter and jaded curmudgeon that makes me the perfect Death Knight knows that eventually someone put in charge of writing their storyline would be lazy enough to do it.I'd nominate Genn to be the level-headed balance to Varian. He is a more experienced ruler, historically just as (if not more) stubborn and short-tempered than Varian is. But following the construction of the Greymane Wall, he had to deal with Crowley's rebellion, the Worgen Curse, the Forsaken invasion, and the death of his only son. Even as old as he is, he's spry enough to kick ass when the need arises, and when the need does not arise he can calm down Varian with a combination of elder wisdom, tough love, and the fact that he's a giant werewolf.
12-08-2011 @ 6:56PM
Clundgren's idea regarding goblin women is noted by Her Tallness.Also, regarding the leader of the Blood Elves: Regent Lord Bobby has had enough story written about him to make clear that there's a good deal of tension about "will he become king or not, he doesn't want to but there's pressure from Rommath or whoever, blah blah, that and the crown still seems to have Kael's blood on it in a mental sense". But that story angle doesn't seem expressed in-game much.On the angle of dwarves, there's also the fact that in the recent Short Story w/ Thrall v. Deathwing in it, a certain Earthen was mentioned - I think that was a nod at Magni's fate.
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