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12-12-2011 @ 2:46PM
I am the raid leader of a group in a similar situation. Despite being a reasonably progressed FL guild (4/7 HM), we haven't completed even a single staff. Our mage is at approximately 170/250 shards, which would mean another two-ish months of clearing content to finish the staff.Content that's been out for 6 months.Content that we've already banged our heads against for half a year.Content that, thanks to the abundant Shannox trash, takes an hour longer than it really should.Did I mention that orange is my least favorite color?In other words, for me Firelands is BEYOND stale. We're progressing and having a blast in Dragon Soul, but our mage keeps badgering me to take our group back to FL. One member a few minutes late for the night's raid? Let's go Firelands while we're waiting. Random off-night where four members are on? Let's kill a few FL bosses. Etc.I can certainly sympathize with her situation. She's the guild leader and an extremely helpful one at that. Good raider, always shows up on time with a good attitude. And of course she's been working on this staff for half a year, so I'm sure the anticipation is killing her. But as someone with limited playtime, it's hard for me to justify spending my time clearing old content just so that one person progresses a little towards getting a single, albeit awesome, item (no, I don't care about the whelp). And I certainly don't feel comfortable telling the rest of the group they have to show up to do something they don't want to do: our MT got downright hostile when asked to run FL (he too has limited playtime).Alt/offnight runs don't really help, as we are a small guild on a small server.She tried to PuG the content but some tool ninjad the essences, despite her clearly asking if anyone else was on the questline. What's a good way to work out this situation? Help!
12-12-2011 @ 3:38PM
This goes for everyone in the situation. Set up an alt-run or a weekend run or a fun-run, with pugs from trade or wherever, and make it clear that all essences/shards/whatevers are going to the mage guildie.If the mage herself is up for raid leading, she can simply just form her own raids for it on the weekends or whatever.
12-12-2011 @ 3:39PM
I'm just starting the Essence portion. My guild is also largely burnt-out on Firelands, and I recognized early that nine other people are not near as invested in my staff as I am. And understandably so! So I actually started pulling together my own resources a few weeks ago. It's too soon to report success or failure yet, but my recommendations to your mage are these:- Be proactive. Arrange your own raids. No-one can ninja your essences if you're the ML.- Be patient. Saying 'Hey, we're going this day at this time, show up if you like' may get you a better response than bugging people about it whenever there's a free moment. That tank may be more inclined to go when it's optional rather than mandatory. At the very least he won't feel guilty about skipping, which should improve guild relations. - Find a partner/sponsor. I've got a healer and a tank who've agreed to stick it out with me (one of them is a guild officer) and it makes me feel less alone. :-D It's also easier to PUG additional DPS and alts when I've got a core!- Network. Talk to other guilds, other friends, and other friends' guilds. I've got a good relationship with another guild that's still raiding FL and has agreed to put me on their backup roster.- Scale it back. 4/7 HM is awesome, but your staff doesn't care about progression. My 10s guild can clear 6/7 normal FL in about two hours (you don't get essences from Rag anyway), and while it might mean an extra couple weeks of raiding, they'll be more pleasant weeks if you're zipping through and having a good time instead of stressing.I understand your worry about alt nights not working, but I will say... my entire guild was loudly done with FL until I started posting up my alt runs, and yet last two weeks I've had more signups than slots. So, I guess people weren't as burned out as they thought. ;-)Good luck to your mage. I hope it works out for all of you!
12-12-2011 @ 3:41PM
>What's a good way to work out this situation? Help!> Content that, thanks to the abundant Shannox trash, takes an hour longer than it really should.You take an hour on Shannox trash? A start with a blast from the past -- Kyth's StratFU guides on chain pulling stuff. It's Naxx stuff, but the general ideas are still valid:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fxOW3L890chttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbKZd5ShJ7EChain pull trash. Have healers pop mana /raid cooldowns (tide, hope, plea, DS, tranq, commie totem.) Lust if you pull to much, brez, etc. Go towards Beth first, kill her, then go to Rhyo. By the time you've cleared shannox trash toward Rhyo, you should be fine. You can skip or quickly kill some of the trash on the way to Bale and Alys/Rhyo. >Alt/offnight runs don't really help, as we are a small guild on a small server.> She tried to PuG the content but some tool ninjad the essences, despite her clearly asking if anyone else was on the questline. If she's pug leading have her go to the armory and check the gear of everyone who's class is capable of being on the quest before inviting. I think you can also check quest logs to see if anyone else is on the same quest as you. What's going to happen as you progress in DS: You're eventually going to be clearing the place in less time than you scheduled for raid. Take some of the extra time to go back into FL to do a few bosses for the staff -- a lil more gear and a lil more time away from the content might make it less of a bother. Motivation: DS bosses have tight enrage and DPS requirements. Staff will help you to get things down more quickly to meet them: Ultraxion, Spine, Maddness. If you're clearing these already -- you're likely to be in heroic modes soon anyway and that means more enrage timers.
12-12-2011 @ 3:59PM
@eel5pe: If you are truly 4/7 HM in FL, then you are three full clears away from her staff NOT 2 1/2 months. That's not a lot of time to ask. If you only did the 4 hard modes for the next two weeks and then did a full clear of 4 hm, 3 regular, you are still only 3 weeks away. I assume you mean essences right? 25 embers, 1000 seething cinders and 250 smouldering essensces).I view the Legendary Staff as a promise between the raid group and the person who is getting it (especially if it is a 10-man raid trying to get its first legendary). Unless I am making a grand assumption, you guys have been cheering her on as she does each phase of the quest right? She has probably been talking up the quest and staff for the past 6 months? If this is the case she is probably really disappointed with the raid group (and most likely feeling a little hurt and possibly betrayed) for putting her Legendary on the back burner.I would be really upset if I were her (not knowing anything else other than what you stated that is). My suggestion since by my calculation it should only take 3 more partial/full FL clears: Go into FL every other week (to keep everyone else happy as well). Do 4 hard mode bosses week 1 = 32 essence, Do 4 HM bosses week 3 = 64 essences, Do full clear week 5 doing just enough HM bosses to get to 250 and kill Rag to get her Heart of Flame.That's the compromise I suggest. The Legendary Staff can only help you in DS progression and you really owe it to your mage.
12-12-2011 @ 4:32PM
I'm in a mostly pvp guild where not a lot people are super interested in raiding / old content / mount runs. I came from a guild that did that sort of stuff all the time (fun runs). True, Firelands isn't exactly what you would call a fun run, but I think the concept is somewhat similar. Our guild has a forum website and I posted on the forums asking if anyone was interested in doing these things and when they were available. I found a decent group of interested guildies, worked out a night one night a week that they were willing to go.Sometimes if you ask about that kind of stuff in guild chat peopled don't notice or they don't want to drop what they are doing to form up a raid. But if you plan it out in advance and set a schedule, sometimes you can find the right people to help you out.
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