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12-12-2011 @ 4:45PM
Thanks for the responses guys. One theme I see over and over again is to emphasize patience to my mage, and I'll be doing just that. Right now everyone's sick of Firelands and excited about new content, but give it a few weeks and I bet people won't mind as much dusting off an alt and going back to say hi to Raggy. With a hammer to his face (do unto others...)@Pyromelter: that's the current stance, but I get a lot of resentment from her when I (and others) don't show up. Another complication is that with a small guild on a small server (4th from the bottom on the progression ladders... whoo...) it's really hard to fill the raid.@Astoreth: the essences are siphoned, not loot. Your advice about setting up raids is on point, but see my previous comment about small guild, small server =)@Kuro: I am exagerrating the length of Shannox trash, but I don't think anyone disagrees that it's a bit excessive. Your point about eventually having extra time to farm FL is a good one. I also appreciate the motivation.@albane: the trouble is that unless I can get my entire A-team on at once, we won't be killing any heroic bosses (well, maybe Shannox). And if I can get my entire A-team on at once, we'll be doing Dragon Soul! I quibble with your math, it's 7 essences for a heroic boss.@Tili: see my response to Pyro. Good luck with your runs!Getting philosophical: I disagree with any implications that we owe her anything. When FL released my clearly expressed stance as raid leader was that getting the staff would NEVER get in the way of progression (the sole exception being that silly one-off boss you have to not dispell on, except you *accidentally* dispell your priest friend since he ate your last box of girl scout cookies the last time he was over). I've always seen loot is a means to an end (progression and killing stuff), even if the loot is orange and has a questline attached. It's not fair to the nine other people in the raid if the raid gets held up to do something that directly benefits only one person.To give an example: one night she kept wiping us on beth'tilac because she wasn't completely sure of the mechanics on charging the fragments. What should have been a 5-minute one-shot became a half hour ordeal as she kept on dying to smoldering devastation (FYI: iceblock does not make you immune), or the drone ate a bunch of spiderlings she was supposed to AoE but she was upstairs futzing around. I made the decision that we were going to kill the boss the normal way, and that in the intervening week she could read up on what the f--- to do, and then come back the next week and do the quest. I stand by that decision. Needs of the many, yaddayadda.Similarly, I'm not inclined to waste nine-ish other people's times to kill old content. I don't think I'm being completely unreasonable. It'd be the equivalent of our druid begging us to go back to H Alys because she never dropped his damn bracers (which she never did, on regular or heroic, damn her). If we're all on, lets spend the time on new hotness, not old and busted.
12-12-2011 @ 5:59PM
" I've always seen loot is a means to an end " - I'm 100% in agreement with this statement, but I would have to say that a legendary is an end unto itself. Yes, the loot is "hers," but in reality, a legendary like this was gained by the whole guild. Getting the guild achieve and pet is a symbol of that group effort.You are right about her wasting time, gotta know what you're doing if you have a special thing to do on a boss, as well as not wasting other's times. That being said, as long as this person is dedicated to the guild (ie not going to drop hat once she gets her legendary), this is something that you, her, and your guild can have pride in, watching her fly majestically as a transformed blue dragon.BTW, one final way the guild can help out is by offering puggers gold to run her through. Offer like 1k gold per person per run, make it payable only at the end of the run. Yes, it's bribing people to raid, but who cares as long as she gets it done.Being on a low pop server is tough too... I wish you luck, let us know how it turns out.
12-12-2011 @ 6:02PM
One more motivation for running FL by the way is this:http://www.wowhead.com/achievement=5828/glory-of-the-firelands-raiderGet your achievement while she gets her staff. Win-win.
12-12-2011 @ 7:15PM
> @Astoreth: the essences are siphoned, not loot. Oh durr! I knew that, but had my head on embers for some reason which I can't even *fathom* now given the rest of the conversation. XD And well then, phooey and a pox on the jerk who ninja'd her essences. That blows.And yeah, patience is key. And -- not to turn around and harp on your poor mage, but as I'm hearing more of the story, perhaps a cooling-off period will be good for reminding her that she's got to contribute to everyone else's success too. Your Beth'tilac story makes me wince, because really, she should have been the MOST prepared person there. :-( We can talk about how the staff is a benefit for the guild as a whole-- and it IS, but it does benefit her most of all, and I agree with you that she owes it to the other nine people to help them succeed as much as they owe her.
12-13-2011 @ 9:48AM
Well, since you put it that way (Legendary not as important as progression) you should delicately reminder her of that fact. I stand by my math that you are only 3 full clears at 4/7 HM away from the staff (even on 7 per boss). I like your idea of going back after a few weeks of clearing DS. You should be geared enough that several of the fights become facerolls. I will add one last point. The Legendary is better than every single DS heroic staff. The proc is that good. Having an extra 500,000 to 1,000,000 damage on a boss fight can make all the difference during progression.Good luck :-)
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