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12-13-2011 @ 7:06PM
Does this change stop an Elemental Shaman or a Balance Druid from rolling on agility items?
12-13-2011 @ 7:13PM
Class restricted, not restricted by spec.
12-13-2011 @ 7:41PM
Unfortunately not. That will have to wait until MoP.But this is better than what was in place before, with hunters rolling on strength trinkets, DKs rolling on agility trinkets, and mages & 'locks rolling on items with spirit.
12-13-2011 @ 10:46PM
@ Caylnn: In all honesty, those rolling on the things they shouldn't have were just shooting themselves in the foot to begin with. While an Agi based polearm (whales harpoon from wrath era) may have been a good heroic dungeon drop for death knight tanks in the past, now it won't do them a lick of good to grab one over a strength based weapon.Similarly if people are rolling need on spirit gear when they have no ability to properly utialize the drop, by all means they deserve to loose the item they destroyed/sold off when they replaced it. Spirit has had no value for locks or mages since classic. Spirit only holds value for healer builds and elemental shaman/balance druid speced players.While yes, people are going to roll need on something if they want it regardless of what the person who actually needs the item wishes, those who make poor gearing choices will end up getting it in the end when they are kicked from multiple groups and not brought along for any real server based raiding because they are wearing healing, tanking, and dps gear as a ret pali, or because their attack power is suffering majorly due to a hunter using strength based weapons/trinkets.
12-14-2011 @ 3:23AM
And shadow priests!
12-14-2011 @ 3:36AM
Well, to be honest, if your elemental shaman rolls on a agi weapon, who's to say that he's not building gear to swap to an enhancement set? And why should he be penalised if he is? Until there's Need+ (mainspec) and Need+ (offspec) AND there's a way to make sure that it's an upgrade for the mainspec person and they're not needing it to DE or vendor trash, it's perfectly reasonable for the elemental shaman to roll on gear that they may wish to use.I've been levelling a Paladin as Holy, switched to Ret in Cata because it's just too slow. You saying you don't want more healers in the game? Because I'm not healing heroics until I'm decently geared.
12-14-2011 @ 4:23AM
@alapinI do agree with you, but id just like to point out that spirit had a purpose for locks and mages up until cata. It converted to crit with molten armor for mages and it converted to spell power for locks for a 15 second buff everytime they lifetapped (with no internal cooldown). Completely pointless seeing as both spirit conversions have been removed but I do understand why people who haven't played since wrath may still go for spirit on these classes, thinking that spirit is just a lower scaled secondary stat. Took me and my guildies over an hour to explain to a friend who recently returned why purchasing chelley's staff for his lock was a waste of gold.
12-14-2011 @ 4:33AM
Personally, and I know this may be an unpopular opinion but I don't think it should. I am friends with a bear/boomy who has to struggle constantly to keep both specs up to date for him the be as flexible for our guild/group as possible. LFR loot when he can and will use both items, SHOULD in my eyes be able to be rolled on by both. You can argue MS vs OS in a guild group, but in a LFR situation when he cues as boomy to ease DPS needs (as I have seen DPS call to arms for LFR recently) when his MS is tanking and he could use an agility staff... or what have you, I think he should be allowed to roll on it.
12-14-2011 @ 8:37AM
Now they need to fix winning the same item and loot trading/selling. I was in an LFR group yesterday with several members of Premonition who were rolling on items for eachother (elemental shaman wins ago trinket and trades to rogue, etc). I said I thought top guilds got the message about gaming the LFR loot system. Guy says nope we're still doing it. Report me and I'll just get a 3 day ban. Classy.
12-14-2011 @ 10:47AM
@Kithus:That's not gaming the system. What the big guilds were doing was getting around the item drop lockout so people could get loot twice from the same LFR boss. Being in the same run now locks the person out of loot but not from having the item traded to them. That guild is just making sure that their people win the stuff. Its technically not exploiting, its just going to seem unfair to the other people who can't benefit from a group like that. Blizz really can't do anything about it.
12-14-2011 @ 10:48AM
Oh and clarification, I'm not approving of them doing it.
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