"you want HARD mode - do Dragon Soul on heroic. There's YOUR hard mode, for the rest of us the troll dungeons were hard enough."

The problem is that getting into (just normal mode) Raids takes quite a lot of investment of time. I want an option where I can queue up and get a suitable level of challenge. The new 5-mans are depressingly easy, I think they can be completed without a wipe, with most people not knowing the strategies. LFR is (other than Spine/Madness of Deathwing) just as easy it seems - especially playing as a healer.

I've only been playing since the beginning of Cata, and the 5-mans up til now provided a good level of challenge, in a good amount of time.

The new 5-mans are quite fun, but there's no real sense of accomplishment at the end, I just do them because I feel I need to VP cap on each character or I'd be letting my raid team down.

I don't want you excluded from the game because you can't complete Zuls quick enough to make you happy. But I want some casual content for me to play that feels like a challenge and not just a grind. I dearly hope the challenge modes in MoP will bring it, but I worry that people will complain HC modes aren't enough end content and that challenge modes should be easily doable by people other than no-lifers.