Drama Mamas: The etiquette of AFKing in a group or raid
When is it OK to AFK during a boss fight? The answers range from "Never, unless you are about to call 911!" to "Any time you need to. Real life comes first!" This week, we address this common conundrum.
Not a specific instance of drama but it definitely causes it often enough. I really love instancing but have been a bit stressed recently about how to deal with interruptions.
How do you handle them? Knock on the door, kids waking up, anything really. We're not all college kids where the worst that could happen would be a power-outage or dorm fire alarm.
From what I read there is not much help or sympathy out there - although that may just be the minority. They mostly say to not even run instances, which I can sympathize with - they want to run it fast - but I cannot accept that as an answer. What do they do when they have to answer the door during a boss fight? Really.
Between fights is easy - a quick "brb" is universally accepted. But what do you do in the middle of a boss fight?
My guildies are always ok with a wipe (motto: "real life happens!") but I'm not always in a guild group.
I can't be the only one in this position.
Thanks.
Stressed
I think your problem is scheduling. There are times when interruptions are more likely to happen and times when they are rare. You should run dungeons with your guild only (or do no instances at all) during the times when there may be knocks at the door or before your kids' bedtimes. Sure, kids wake up and important phone calls happen, but the timing of your PUGs can severely reduce the chances of being interrupted.
Also, if you have a partner in your home, you can take turns being the Prime Interrupt Handler. One night, you can be the one who doesn't run instances but does answer doors, phones, calls from the kids' room, etc. And then the next night, your partner can not do something engrossing (if he or she isn't a gamer) and handle those pesky, instance-unfriendly occurrences.
You have to remember that the four to 24 other people you are playing with either aren't likely to be interrupted at any time (as you said) or have arranged to be able to play uninterrupted ahead of time. It is not unreasonable for them to expect you to have done the same. In fact, it is very inconsiderate of you to be playing when you can possibly be AFK during a boss fight (except for an emergency). And they are right about not instancing if that is likely to happen. If you don't have a partner to share responsibilities with or are trying to PUG when that partner is unavailable, you shouldn't be inconveniencing strangers. Just hang with your understanding guildies or find something else to do when you are unreliable.
It is good that your responsibilities in the physical world have such a high priority, but you must remember that those are real people in the virtual world as well. Responsible players make sure their higher priorities are less likely to interfere with their leisure time, when that time involves other people -- even ones you have never met in person.
I suspect the reason I find myself writing about internet and gaming with kids at home so much is that the temptation for parents to sneak one in seems well-nigh irresistible. Let's get real, though. Wiping a group because someone rang your doorbell? You're going to ruin a group activity you signed up to participate in for the unexpected arrival of an unknown stranger, or the neighborhood kid wants to play, or your son can't get the straw into the juice box, or the freakin' pizza dude just knocked? Weak.
It may be possible to play during these times if you can rely on someone who has agreed to run interference for you, but otherwise, avoid groups if you can't give them your attention. It's really that simple. Lest you come away from this realization too dejected, let me pass on a few more tips and tricks I've gleaned over the years:
- You are the person responsible for dealing with interruptions. Wiping a group because you failed to think ahead is absolutely inexcusable. Your groupmates should not be foisted with the consequences of a knock at your door or a child who needs attention. Emergencies happen, of course -- but pizza and children aren't really emergencies now, are they? True, taking responsibility might mean you can't do everything you want to do right this very minute. Welcome to the club!
- Don't queue up or start running group content before the pizza arrives. Let me assure you, it will arrive at the worst possible moment. Another thought: If you pride yourself in getting to the door and back and then scarfing your food so quickly that your group doesn't even miss you -- all while you play -- maybe it's time to take a look at what kind of performance you expect from yourself!
- Turn on voicemail or turn off the phone. Your phone is a tool for your use, not a cattle prod that tells you how high to jump and when. Control your scene.
- Stay physically and emotionally available to your children and family. Don't kid yourself that sitting at the keyboard makes you available to your kids. If you're not able to pay attention when they come to you while you're playing -- whether they need a Band-Aid, want to know where those yummy new crackers are, or have a story about how Nicole got Stephen in trouble today because he'd been passing notes to Pranab -- then you're not really available.
- Make sure your partner knows the score. Sit down some weekend or other relaxed moment and explain to your significant other what goes on during a group or raid, how long each is likely to take, and why it's important that you not leave your fellow players hanging during the process. Enlist your partner's help in finding a balanced amount of uninterrupted play time when he or she can leave you alone or run interference for you.
- Turn about's fair play. Whatever it is that your partner enjoys doing, make sure you help shepherd equally uninterrupted time for those pursuits, too.
- Avoid temptation entirely. As I said above, if your kids wake up and need your attention with any regularity at all, simply accept that this isn't a good stage of your life for grouping in video games. Limit yourself to solo endeavors, or investigate a single-player game. Children grow so quickly. Be here now for your family; you won't regret it.
Filed under: Analysis / Opinion, Drama Mamas






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
Noyou Jan 9th 2012 4:09PM
I agree. If you can't dedicate X amount of time to a dungeon group or raid then just don't do it. If you are all about your family, then be all about your family and do things you can walk away from at a moments notice. It's really black and white to me. I tend not to run any BG's, dungeons or raids until later at night, when I know the phone is not going to ring, or any other pertinent issues will arise.
blazenor Jan 9th 2012 5:00PM
I really hate the players that are in a rush because they have to go to work in the next 20min and want to rush the group. If you have to be somewhere soon, please leave and come back to the game later.
Snuzzle Jan 9th 2012 5:52PM
I emphatically agree about not joining a PUG if you know you're in a rush. I've done some heroics and normals where I ask if we can do a non-mandatory boss, and everyone agrees except one guy (sorry, it's usually the tank) who says "Nope, I got a raid in 20" or "No time, only here for VP" and there's this awkward kind of pause where everyone decides if they're siding with the one guy who veto'd or the 4/5 who were okay with it.
And sadly, most people will side with the tank whatever, so I either have to finish and requeue for my drop/quest, decide if I think being more firm will sway folks, or trying my luck with a kick (and dropping if it fails).
I'm personally just fine with afk's mid fight in a five man. Things like a child waking up and wanting mommy/daddy or the like. Life happens. I've had to emergency afk mid fight a few times because my cat started harfing on my bed and I want to get her to the floor before she chucks where it's not an all-night project to clean up. A hardwood floor wheathers cat puke so much more easily than a mattress and my blankets, you see.
Or work calling unexpectedly asking me to come in. There's only a few numbers I would immediately pick up for, and that number's one of them. Sorry.
But stuff like phone, pizza delivery, and bio/snack breaks mid fight? Nu uh. No way bucko. You either queue after the pizza arrives or you wait till the instance is over.
Elzam Jan 9th 2012 4:18PM
If you can't be there for 30 minutes or so for a dungeon and at least an hour for LFR, don't queue. My least favorite thing is a tank, who gets an instant queue anyways, to queue for a 5-man, get in the dungeon, and say "AFK 5 Minutes." You're a tank, you get instant queues, just queue five minutes later. Everyone else has been sitting in queue and every minute of their time you waste is a minute that they could have gotten a non-AFK tank. That being said, I used to answer the door and sign for pizza and whatnot during ICC all while juggling an overexcited dog that wanted to be the pizza guy (or girl!)'s best friend, and I know it was bad, but I would never do it on anything but extremely farmable content like ICC25(H) became in the back stretch of WotLK.
Malnore Jan 9th 2012 4:25PM
Back in wrath our 2 main tanks were roommates. In the middle of a boss fight they both yell over vent "PIZZA!!!" and both AFK. Dont really know why it took both of them to go get it, but it was really hilarious. Now if it happened frequently, it would be annoying, but once in a while on farm bosses it can be funny.
Pyromelter Jan 9th 2012 4:26PM
"Turn on voicemail or turn off the phone. Your phone is a tool for your use, not a cattle prod that tells you how high to jump and when. Control your scene."
This this this this thisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthis. This doesn't just happen in gaming, this happens everywhere, on dates, at sports events, at the doctor's office, at a dance. It really irks me when I hear a phone ring when I'm like playing basketball or something. Aren't you there to get some exercise in and get away from people who would be calling you? I remember when people didn't have cell phones, we'd go to the park/field, play a game, and then head home... back in those days if someone wanted to reach us, we had answering machines. At the very least let it go to voicemail, and you can call them back later.
"Control your scene" + 1 and amen.
D4 Jan 9th 2012 4:37PM
This one hits home for me. I pretty much had to stop instances completely over the past year due to the need to be constantly available for my kids. My wife and I now schedule one or two blocks of time each week so I can do retro-raids, early-cata raids, or just dungeons, but I know I can't be too attached to them and really can't angle for DS yet.
One thing that's come up is that my guild's scheduled times may not overlap perfectly with when my wife can give me those blocks of time. It's worked out so far that I discuss it with the guild ahead of time. "I'm going to have a preschooler in the room for the first half-hour of Firelands, is that going to be okay?" Happily, it's a very real-world-tolerant guild (at least since I'm not in the progression group).
Ostentaneous Jan 9th 2012 4:44PM
"Make sure your partner knows the score." I realize the point after this statement are valid and very well put, but damn. This sounds like it needs "then tell them to go make you a sandwich" after it.
nosoup4u76 Jan 9th 2012 5:48PM
Really? Being up front with your partner/spouse/etc... about scheduling gaming time is like telling them to shut up and make you a sandwhich?
Trust me, much better to establish ground rules for when it's ok to play and when not up front as opposed to just assuming.
Also, this is not the 1950's
Robin Torres Jan 9th 2012 7:58PM
Ostentataneous, you are taking it as if the gamer is ordering his/her partner around. It's just shorthand for communicate and coordinate. Also, it is a gender neutral statement, so misogynistic interpretations are a bit of a stretch.
Ostentaneous Jan 9th 2012 8:14PM
I know that's not what you were implying. It's just I've never heard the phrase "know the score" used when it didn't have negative connotations. I was only commenting on that fact. I know all about the importance of communicating and coordinating in regards to play time. I have a 17 month old girl who I watch while my wife is at work and she watches while I am at work. This usually limits my playtime to only at night once she has gone to bed and usually once my wife has gone to bed too. My wife does let me take one night a week to play early so that I can raid.
Noyou Jan 9th 2012 9:21PM
So your wife knows the score then. See how easy that is? Absolutely nothing negative about that statement at all. And knowing is half the battle.
Dan Jan 9th 2012 4:47PM
It's obvious that running instances is a commitment. It is absolutely your responsibility to only commit when you can give it your full attention, without interruptions. However, I feel like the question posed by the OP was more-or-less unanswered. He wanted to know what you do when the unexpected happens. If the doorbell rings or the kids wake up, do you ignore it and fight until the boss is down? Do you bolt like hell to the door, jumping furniture as if it were hurdles just to get to the door fast enough? Do you tell the shady high school student that the key is under the doormat and they can come in, take money out of your wallet and pay themselves for the pizza delivery? I could be wrong, but I get the impression he was wondering what is best etiquette in those situations when they happen, even if they took every precaution to prevent them.
Steve Jan 9th 2012 5:30PM
Actually, I think those points were answered... If you ordered food, don't queue until it gets there. If the doorbell rings, and you're not expecting anyone, hell, ignore it. If it's someone you wanted to see, they would have called first, or when you don't answer the door they can call you then. For kids/family needing you at a moments notice, try to schedule "don't bother me" time with your significant other, so you aren't interrupted during the raid/instance. Etc etc.
nosoup4u76 Jan 9th 2012 5:41PM
Well, part right. The answer was to minimize those interruptions when running pugs. Again, if you just ordered pizza, don't queue for a random or LFR since you know you're going to be AFK for a few minutes at some point in the next 35 minutes most likely, and you know it will happen right in the middle of something. And then you have the 50/50 of folks deciding to kick you for being a jerk.
So yes, the mamas might have not answered in the intended format, but that's because the writer is asking for permission to do something they know deep down they shouldn't be doing - which is putting their schedule ahead of the 4-24 strangers they just got grouped with.
Dan Jan 9th 2012 7:12PM
Yeah, you're right. It does mention those things, and I wholly agree with the preventative measures. I think I was expecting to see answers about reacting to the situations as they arose, and in particular, how best to convey them to the group. Obviously, if you're leaving on Deathwing to go chow on a pizza, you deserve a kick, regardless of what you say. I guess I'm just curious what to tell these people you're letting down, even if you already know the outcome.
And just out of unmerited curiosity, I would like to know what's best to say in emergency situations. I like to think a simple "brb, desk on fire" would suffice, but I'm open to more polite and/or hilarious responses.
Robin Torres Jan 9th 2012 8:05PM
Dan, I agree. One of us should have mentioned proper etiquette when you must unavoidably afk. If you have time to type it out, you should be politely communicative while giving an expectation of return. Examples:
"Sorry must afk unexpectedly. I should be back in 2 minutes tho."
"AFK RL. Not sure how long it will take."
And if you come back and are booted, don't get upset.
In case of actual emergencies, try to type out AFK 911 if you have time. If not, well, it's an emergency. You have to deal with it.
I left it out of my answer because he seemed to be polite enough about it, but seemed to feel it was alright to inconvenience those other people and they were being the rude ones for not understanding. However, we should have addressed it.
Joe Jan 10th 2012 10:13AM
And I think that part of the problem is that we don't really have a universally agreed on list of what falls into these two categories:
a) Really unexpected emergencies that couldn't reasonably be planned for and warrant inconveniencing up to 24 other real people, and
b) Real-life events that one really should have either planned for before hand or not engaged in group WoW play at all because of them.
For many events, most people will agree what category they fall in. But there's a whole grey area in the middle where the same event may be a "omg! emergency, gotta afk" for one person and a "well, this might happen, so I probably shouldn't queue up right now" for another.
Ailuvan Jan 9th 2012 4:51PM
Hrm, vanishing posts via cell phone. Meh.
As a parent, whose spouse also plays (and usually at the same time, doing the same things), we regularly have to deal with the uninterruptable boss casts of "Child scraped her knee" or "Sister hit me with a stick".
While we try to plan so that we'll have time free of such things go do instance diving, I haven't figured out the secret to stopping life from happening.
That being said - you're not the only one it's happening to. On a fairly regular basis, my wife and I will end up in an instance and everyone else will have some random interruption happen. We wait, we resume, and...we end up running 3 or 4 more instances with the same group, because we all know things happen.
Communicate with your group, don't abuse any willingness on their part to give you the moments you need, and more often than not, you'll find that they'll make use of the time you need to do their own (potty break | repair run | coffee refill | insert other thing here). Everyone ends up happy.
Katherine Jan 9th 2012 4:52PM
Eh, in a dungeon if you need a short afk and you TELL us, I'm not super bothered (not in the middle of a boss, they're usually pretty quick!). Pity most people aren't as tolerant. I wanted to wait for ONE minute to have all my CDs up before I pulled Durznomo the other day, and one of the DPS was jumping up and down like he was going to pee his pants if I didn't pull the boss RIGHT NOW. I'm sorry, should I have died on the trash instead of using cooldowns, since we had no CC?