Drama Mamas: The etiquette of AFKing in a group or raid
When is it OK to AFK during a boss fight? The answers range from "Never, unless you are about to call 911!" to "Any time you need to. Real life comes first!" This week, we address this common conundrum.
Not a specific instance of drama but it definitely causes it often enough. I really love instancing but have been a bit stressed recently about how to deal with interruptions.
How do you handle them? Knock on the door, kids waking up, anything really. We're not all college kids where the worst that could happen would be a power-outage or dorm fire alarm.
From what I read there is not much help or sympathy out there - although that may just be the minority. They mostly say to not even run instances, which I can sympathize with - they want to run it fast - but I cannot accept that as an answer. What do they do when they have to answer the door during a boss fight? Really.
Between fights is easy - a quick "brb" is universally accepted. But what do you do in the middle of a boss fight?
My guildies are always ok with a wipe (motto: "real life happens!") but I'm not always in a guild group.
I can't be the only one in this position.
Thanks.
Stressed
I think your problem is scheduling. There are times when interruptions are more likely to happen and times when they are rare. You should run dungeons with your guild only (or do no instances at all) during the times when there may be knocks at the door or before your kids' bedtimes. Sure, kids wake up and important phone calls happen, but the timing of your PUGs can severely reduce the chances of being interrupted.
Also, if you have a partner in your home, you can take turns being the Prime Interrupt Handler. One night, you can be the one who doesn't run instances but does answer doors, phones, calls from the kids' room, etc. And then the next night, your partner can not do something engrossing (if he or she isn't a gamer) and handle those pesky, instance-unfriendly occurrences.
You have to remember that the four to 24 other people you are playing with either aren't likely to be interrupted at any time (as you said) or have arranged to be able to play uninterrupted ahead of time. It is not unreasonable for them to expect you to have done the same. In fact, it is very inconsiderate of you to be playing when you can possibly be AFK during a boss fight (except for an emergency). And they are right about not instancing if that is likely to happen. If you don't have a partner to share responsibilities with or are trying to PUG when that partner is unavailable, you shouldn't be inconveniencing strangers. Just hang with your understanding guildies or find something else to do when you are unreliable.
It is good that your responsibilities in the physical world have such a high priority, but you must remember that those are real people in the virtual world as well. Responsible players make sure their higher priorities are less likely to interfere with their leisure time, when that time involves other people -- even ones you have never met in person.
I suspect the reason I find myself writing about internet and gaming with kids at home so much is that the temptation for parents to sneak one in seems well-nigh irresistible. Let's get real, though. Wiping a group because someone rang your doorbell? You're going to ruin a group activity you signed up to participate in for the unexpected arrival of an unknown stranger, or the neighborhood kid wants to play, or your son can't get the straw into the juice box, or the freakin' pizza dude just knocked? Weak.
It may be possible to play during these times if you can rely on someone who has agreed to run interference for you, but otherwise, avoid groups if you can't give them your attention. It's really that simple. Lest you come away from this realization too dejected, let me pass on a few more tips and tricks I've gleaned over the years:
- You are the person responsible for dealing with interruptions. Wiping a group because you failed to think ahead is absolutely inexcusable. Your groupmates should not be foisted with the consequences of a knock at your door or a child who needs attention. Emergencies happen, of course -- but pizza and children aren't really emergencies now, are they? True, taking responsibility might mean you can't do everything you want to do right this very minute. Welcome to the club!
- Don't queue up or start running group content before the pizza arrives. Let me assure you, it will arrive at the worst possible moment. Another thought: If you pride yourself in getting to the door and back and then scarfing your food so quickly that your group doesn't even miss you -- all while you play -- maybe it's time to take a look at what kind of performance you expect from yourself!
- Turn on voicemail or turn off the phone. Your phone is a tool for your use, not a cattle prod that tells you how high to jump and when. Control your scene.
- Stay physically and emotionally available to your children and family. Don't kid yourself that sitting at the keyboard makes you available to your kids. If you're not able to pay attention when they come to you while you're playing -- whether they need a Band-Aid, want to know where those yummy new crackers are, or have a story about how Nicole got Stephen in trouble today because he'd been passing notes to Pranab -- then you're not really available.
- Make sure your partner knows the score. Sit down some weekend or other relaxed moment and explain to your significant other what goes on during a group or raid, how long each is likely to take, and why it's important that you not leave your fellow players hanging during the process. Enlist your partner's help in finding a balanced amount of uninterrupted play time when he or she can leave you alone or run interference for you.
- Turn about's fair play. Whatever it is that your partner enjoys doing, make sure you help shepherd equally uninterrupted time for those pursuits, too.
- Avoid temptation entirely. As I said above, if your kids wake up and need your attention with any regularity at all, simply accept that this isn't a good stage of your life for grouping in video games. Limit yourself to solo endeavors, or investigate a single-player game. Children grow so quickly. Be here now for your family; you won't regret it.
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Reader Comments (Page 2 of 3)
Brett Porter Jan 9th 2012 6:47PM
That's a bad DPS. Unless the tank is regularly taking 5 minutes between each pull so it seems like they are either unfamiliar or unsure of what to do, I give them the benefit of the doubt and go along with their pace.
Mainly because that's what I want others to do for me when I'm tanking. That said, if the above does happen, I'll usually ask in Party or a Whisper if everything's ok. They usually respond with a valid reason, and it's another example of why open communication is key.
Snuzzle Jan 10th 2012 7:21AM
Try playing a druid tank. I regularly have to wait for a few seconds for my Enrage if I had to shift out for any reason (rezzing, Thorns, CC, etc) and DPS hate it. I stand there for a heartbeat and then see "Go?" or worse, "Gogo". It usually takes more time to type "Waiting on Enrage" than it does to just wait. Sigh.
Katherine Jan 10th 2012 3:54PM
I know, it's like dps don't think tanks have cds that might be useful. I did say it in party chat but most dungeon groups don't look at chat.
Bob Dewane Jan 9th 2012 4:57PM
I have 3 kids who range in age from 9 to 5 years old. I don't raid because I know I will NEVER have that much uninterrupted time and I'm fine with that. I limit my dungeon running to nighttime after I've put the kids to bed. However, if my kids wake up and need me for whatever reason, I will finish any fight the group is currently engaged in (none of them take longer than a minute or so nowdays anyway) and then I have a macro ready that tells the group I need to step away and take care of family business, that I should be back in a minute or two and if they'd rather kick me I undestand. I get the feeling that Robin and Lisa would fault me for that practice. Is that so, ladies?
I guess what I'm getting at is that I am trying to be honest about what's going on and I don't think that just because I MIGHT have to walk away means that I should forego runing dungeons because I can't guarantee 100% that I won't leave my seat from the first pull until the final boss drops.
I consider my behavior far more considerate that the person who drops group without saying a word right after a particular boss goes down without dropping whatever piece of loot they were farming. I also consider my behavior more considerate than the person in the group who endlessly bitches and complains but (s)he can stay the whole time. Maybe I'm reading too much into this answer and this is directed more at people who just decide to try and run group activities when there is a good chance they might be interrupted. Whatever the case, I interpreted the answer to be "If you can't stay from start to finish, go questing." And I don't think that's a fair answer to people like me who actually take the time to be able to quickly explain their situation when they need to and invite the group to kick them if they'd rather not wait.
Astoreth Jan 9th 2012 7:52PM
As a parent, I think it's fair to assume that you'll be uninterrupted after bedtime. Which isn't to say that interruptions will never happen, but it's not an *unreasonable expectation* that kids sleeping in their beds will stay in bed (regardless of how unreasonable those kids may believe it to be). My kids in that age range also know that if they need something from Mom during that time (another glass of water or whatever) and Mom is in the middle of killing an internet dragon RIGHT THEN (i.e., in a boss fight), they're welcome to sit on the bed and watch her finish the fight while they wait for her attention. Waiting two minutes for that glass of water they didn't really need anyway hurts no one, and it's important for kids to know that parents need parent time, too.
Your policy and your attitude is good. You plan around your situation with respect to the fact that 4-24 other people have also set aside time for this and shouldn't be made to wait for anyone else's lack of planning, which is exactly what everyone should be doing! Unfortunately there are people out there who think it's perfectly okay to AFK for dinner ten minutes into a dungeon and expect the rest of the raid to wait an hour for them to return, and *those* are the blind fools this article is really meant to address.
Zarabethe Jan 9th 2012 8:09PM
I agree here. this my protocol as well, finish the fight, say, "BRB kid problem", take care of it, come back. The difference is i have 7 kids, and I usually already have one on my lap and my husband is playing too. ONE of us has to take care of it, and anything that I can foresee me needing to take care of, like a toddler needing a snack or a diaper, or s movie started, I take care of everything I can beforehand. We do not play until after the older ones are in bed but we do play, every night nearly: this is our standing date, this is our downtime, and yes I get to play an instance every now and then. Now I am 3/4 of the time playing ranged dps, so if I miss a trash pull no big deal. If I happen to be playing my healer, I do the instance alone and husband is charge of any kid emergency and I take extra care to not have any interruptions, as i'm more in charge of whether we wipe or not. And I don't think I've ever run out on a boss fight excpet for a second then right back in.
All i'm saying is, take every reasonable precaution, but people should be patient as well for emergencies. Real life always first.
DracoSuave Jan 10th 2012 1:15AM
The thing is, they're your kids, so you gotta take care of them.
They're NOT the kids of the four others in your group.
Some parents forget that part.
KOSAK Jan 9th 2012 4:59PM
I think the OP's name says it all.
Stressed.
This game is intended for recreation and entertainment and should be fun and enjoyable. If balancing your real life and the game becomes stressful you should probably take a step back and reassess whether or not playing a video game with such a hectic schedule is really a good idea. Your guild says "real life happens!" and they are right, except that it doesn't just stop at answering the phone or getting the door. For some people having their cake and eating it too just isn't in the cards in their current situation. Furthermore I blame the OP's guild for letting the situation get to the point where this member feels it's perfectly OK to just drop the game as if it had a pause button when something minor comes up. It has made him believe that anyone not OK with his AFKing is being unreasonable.
Oh, and to all the people who have made home life and game life work: nothing but respect!
logicalfundy Jan 9th 2012 7:48PM
"Stressed.
This game is intended for recreation and entertainment and should be fun and enjoyable. If balancing your real life and the game becomes stressful you should probably take a step back and reassess whether or not playing a video game with such a hectic schedule is really a good idea."
Agreed. If you're getting stressed over a video game, please take a step back and reassess why and how you're playing it. Games are supposed to be entertainment.
albanesp Jan 9th 2012 4:59PM
"but pizza and children aren't really emergencies now, are they? "
Lisa, if you really consider your children to not be emergencies: you are a baddie mom.
True enough if your kids are constantly interrupting your raids, don't raid, but seriously, not emergencies?
Tai Jan 9th 2012 5:25PM
Lisa isn't a "baddie mom" , parents who jump everytime their kid moves are not doing their child any good whatsoever. " Children used to be raised where they had to entertain themselves and weren't waited on hand and foot like the parents are their servants. Unless you're talking about an infant most children can wait, or problem solve for themselves. There's a good article in The Atlantic about what over-involved parenting costs the children.
I did leave a raid once to take my child to the dr.'s, and the raid was understanding. Sick/injured child may well be an emergency.
To Stressed I would say, what do you do when you're in the bath or the shower and the doorbell rings? Personally I ignore it, if it's urgent the person will keep knocking and then I know.
Salviati Jan 9th 2012 6:05PM
They aren't emergencies not because they aren't important, but because they aren't unexpected. If you have little kiddos then you should be *expecting* interruptions from them, just like you should be expecting the pizza guy to come when you've called and ordered a pizza.
Astoreth Jan 9th 2012 7:59PM
None of my kids are emergencies. I had nine months to prepare for each of them to arrive, and even today I know where they are and what they're doing at most times. There's nothing urgent about that.
A *bleeding* kid is an emergency. A screaming kid is sometimes an emergency (sometimes it's just Drama). Kid falls out of bed and bangs the nightstand on the way down, hell yes I'm bailing on raid. Kid gets out of bed because he wants a ten millionth glass of water? Kid can wait two minutes until the boss is dead and my 60-second AFK will not disrupt the group.
Note the placement of the kid when I'm raiding: bed. I'm not raiding when the kid needs dinner, homework help or other expected attention. I planned around that. Thus, it's not an emergency.
Pryn Jan 9th 2012 8:25PM
Children are not emergencies - provided you are responsible enough to have seen to their well being in advance, which includes having a capable adult readily available for them should the need arise. If you are not responsible enough to have their needs seen to before parking your butt in front of a game, then they are going to be a regular interruption (not to mention neglected), which is still not an actual emergency.
GOOD parents don't view their children as emergencies, because they are the ones that have them fully looked after before gaming time and are free to relax and enjoy.
Rhamona Q Jan 9th 2012 10:26PM
I think she meant the neighborhood kid who came to the door, in her example. Not her own kids.
mord Jan 9th 2012 5:00PM
"Stay physically and emotionally available to your children and family" This cannot be stressed enough
SgtBaker. Jan 9th 2012 5:00PM
I really love running raids and instances - however, couple of past years have been full of small kids waking at strange times, so I've stayed out of them and played other games (or soloed content).
Now the kids have more stable sleep cycles and I (and the wife) can group up again for an hour or two couple of times a week. Good times.
Be there when your family needs you, the instance groups will wait. Don't commit if you can't follow through.
Wraithanne Jan 9th 2012 5:24PM
Not really on-topic, but that Cake song has one of my favorite bass lines ever.
Carry on chiding the person for being an inconsiderate afker instead of playing when she has the proper time to do it. Or encouraging her. Or something.
/me places down a bag of kittens to distract everyone and runs away...
shatnerstorm2 Jan 9th 2012 5:27PM
While the question may not have been directly answered, I do agree that the best measure is still prevention. If I know a pizza is coming, or that I'm having company over, or that I might be interrupted for anything important, I play a game/game mode that I can bail out on easily. Something like BGs, questing, crafting. Or, even going outside of WoW, any single player game (Skyrim, anyone?) or another low-responsibility multiplayer game like Call of Duty (or any other online action/shooter game). There are tons of easily interruptable alternatives for gamers to instances.
And once again, this is about important interruptions: kids, appointments, and work calls are important. Door-to-door salesmen or your friend calling to complain about some little annoying thing his/her significant other did are not. Those things can wait if you're doing an instance.
Broken-toes Jan 9th 2012 5:38PM
Just get on with it, spam vote kick them out of combat. Not sure how this is an issue- either they have something on or they are takin the piss.