Drama Mamas: The etiquette of AFKing in a group or raid
When is it OK to AFK during a boss fight? The answers range from "Never, unless you are about to call 911!" to "Any time you need to. Real life comes first!" This week, we address this common conundrum.
Not a specific instance of drama but it definitely causes it often enough. I really love instancing but have been a bit stressed recently about how to deal with interruptions.
How do you handle them? Knock on the door, kids waking up, anything really. We're not all college kids where the worst that could happen would be a power-outage or dorm fire alarm.
From what I read there is not much help or sympathy out there - although that may just be the minority. They mostly say to not even run instances, which I can sympathize with - they want to run it fast - but I cannot accept that as an answer. What do they do when they have to answer the door during a boss fight? Really.
Between fights is easy - a quick "brb" is universally accepted. But what do you do in the middle of a boss fight?
My guildies are always ok with a wipe (motto: "real life happens!") but I'm not always in a guild group.
I can't be the only one in this position.
Thanks.
Stressed
I think your problem is scheduling. There are times when interruptions are more likely to happen and times when they are rare. You should run dungeons with your guild only (or do no instances at all) during the times when there may be knocks at the door or before your kids' bedtimes. Sure, kids wake up and important phone calls happen, but the timing of your PUGs can severely reduce the chances of being interrupted.
Also, if you have a partner in your home, you can take turns being the Prime Interrupt Handler. One night, you can be the one who doesn't run instances but does answer doors, phones, calls from the kids' room, etc. And then the next night, your partner can not do something engrossing (if he or she isn't a gamer) and handle those pesky, instance-unfriendly occurrences.
You have to remember that the four to 24 other people you are playing with either aren't likely to be interrupted at any time (as you said) or have arranged to be able to play uninterrupted ahead of time. It is not unreasonable for them to expect you to have done the same. In fact, it is very inconsiderate of you to be playing when you can possibly be AFK during a boss fight (except for an emergency). And they are right about not instancing if that is likely to happen. If you don't have a partner to share responsibilities with or are trying to PUG when that partner is unavailable, you shouldn't be inconveniencing strangers. Just hang with your understanding guildies or find something else to do when you are unreliable.
It is good that your responsibilities in the physical world have such a high priority, but you must remember that those are real people in the virtual world as well. Responsible players make sure their higher priorities are less likely to interfere with their leisure time, when that time involves other people -- even ones you have never met in person.
I suspect the reason I find myself writing about internet and gaming with kids at home so much is that the temptation for parents to sneak one in seems well-nigh irresistible. Let's get real, though. Wiping a group because someone rang your doorbell? You're going to ruin a group activity you signed up to participate in for the unexpected arrival of an unknown stranger, or the neighborhood kid wants to play, or your son can't get the straw into the juice box, or the freakin' pizza dude just knocked? Weak.
It may be possible to play during these times if you can rely on someone who has agreed to run interference for you, but otherwise, avoid groups if you can't give them your attention. It's really that simple. Lest you come away from this realization too dejected, let me pass on a few more tips and tricks I've gleaned over the years:
- You are the person responsible for dealing with interruptions. Wiping a group because you failed to think ahead is absolutely inexcusable. Your groupmates should not be foisted with the consequences of a knock at your door or a child who needs attention. Emergencies happen, of course -- but pizza and children aren't really emergencies now, are they? True, taking responsibility might mean you can't do everything you want to do right this very minute. Welcome to the club!
- Don't queue up or start running group content before the pizza arrives. Let me assure you, it will arrive at the worst possible moment. Another thought: If you pride yourself in getting to the door and back and then scarfing your food so quickly that your group doesn't even miss you -- all while you play -- maybe it's time to take a look at what kind of performance you expect from yourself!
- Turn on voicemail or turn off the phone. Your phone is a tool for your use, not a cattle prod that tells you how high to jump and when. Control your scene.
- Stay physically and emotionally available to your children and family. Don't kid yourself that sitting at the keyboard makes you available to your kids. If you're not able to pay attention when they come to you while you're playing -- whether they need a Band-Aid, want to know where those yummy new crackers are, or have a story about how Nicole got Stephen in trouble today because he'd been passing notes to Pranab -- then you're not really available.
- Make sure your partner knows the score. Sit down some weekend or other relaxed moment and explain to your significant other what goes on during a group or raid, how long each is likely to take, and why it's important that you not leave your fellow players hanging during the process. Enlist your partner's help in finding a balanced amount of uninterrupted play time when he or she can leave you alone or run interference for you.
- Turn about's fair play. Whatever it is that your partner enjoys doing, make sure you help shepherd equally uninterrupted time for those pursuits, too.
- Avoid temptation entirely. As I said above, if your kids wake up and need your attention with any regularity at all, simply accept that this isn't a good stage of your life for grouping in video games. Limit yourself to solo endeavors, or investigate a single-player game. Children grow so quickly. Be here now for your family; you won't regret it.
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Reader Comments (Page 3 of 3)
Khirsah Jan 9th 2012 5:53PM
One of the best Drama Mama topics ever!
I have a 2 year old, a job with strange hours, I play hockey a couple nights a week, and I try to allow my wife some time away from the house.
So, I schedule play time during my son's nap time, or after bed time. But anyone with a 2 year old knows, they are inclined to wake up at bad times. Last weekend, he had strep, so was waking up with fevers and sore throats and things.
I was still trying to maintain my gaming schedule, but I limited myself to 5 man instances (short boss fights). I would explain to the group, before the first pull, that I might have to drop in the middle of the instance, but that I would never leave in the middle of a boss fight, and if they just wanted me to drop now, I would understand. Not once did anyone ask me to leave. In fact, they were very nice, and said things like: "We better do this fast then, so you can finish while you have the chance." These were all pug's, not guildies.
I like what Lisa said about your phone. I keep mine near me, and check the caller ID before answering. If it's important, they'll leave a message, which I can listen to on speaker phone while still playing. Knocks at the door are ignored, even though visitors can see me sitting at the computer from the front door. I just wave them away. It's my house, and I only have to admit visitors when it is convenient for me.
Planning ahead is key. If I know I'm gonna want a pizza, I order it 30 minutes before the kid's bed time. In then arrives just as I'm sitting down to play, and I can have a slice or two while waiting in the queue or checking my auctions.
I have a demanding schedule, but have found ways to work around it. Plan ahead, communicate possible issues with your group BEFORE YOU START YOUR INSTANCE, and ignore callers and visitors. It's your time. Use it wisely.
chipthamac Jan 9th 2012 6:05PM
HAHA, a bunch of no lifes in this thread. A game is a game, and if you take it so seriously that you think: "OMGAH if you queue up for a dungeon and you have pizza on the way omgah no, you must wait." or "If you can't give it your full attention, don't queue"
You guys do realize it's just a game and has no real life rewards right? Just because you defeat Rag or DS on Hard mode, doesn't mean you are going to get a letter from the President congratulating you for your achievement.
I remember playing connect 4 with my cousin when I was younger, and she would get so mad if I won. She got mad over a game. We were 6 years old.
Grow up, act at least your age.
D4 Jan 9th 2012 6:14PM
Hmm. I'm really not sure what you're trying to say here.
Most of the comments here have been to the effect of "If you know there's going to be a conflict between real life and the game, give priority to real life." That is, don't queue, and don't schedule raids for times when you know there will be a conflict.
I'm not sure how you're reading this as regarding the game as being particularly important.
Yes, there are other comments to the effect of "If something unimportant comes up, don't interrupt the game for it," but that's not because the game is important.
The reason you want to avoid the conflict is not because it would be a tragedy if answering the door or taking a phone call caused you to miss a chance to down Ragnaros--it's because it's inconsiderate of other people, who have presumably gone to some effort to make sure they will have some recreational time.
Khirsah Jan 9th 2012 6:34PM
What if your little cousin just got up in the middle of Connect 4 and walked off? No explanation, nothing. Just left you sitting there wondering if she was coming back, or if she was doing something else, or what. Don't you think that would be a little rude?
The topic is not about the importance of a game versus real life, but about how to handle the situation when real life does come up. The comments, as mentioned above, all center around "Real Life comes first, but try to eliminate the distractions."
Just like your 6 year old cousin, she made a commitment to finish the game, win or lose. She did not just walk out in the middle without an explanation. Have we not made a similar commitment to the people we group with?
What's wrong with discussing the appropriate conduct when Real Life forces you to break that commitment?
Harvoc Jan 9th 2012 8:11PM
We see you trolling, we hating...
sjamesclarkson Jan 9th 2012 6:08PM
Really bugs me when people think it's ok to be inconsiderate to a person because they are stopping them playing for a few minutes. I stick to the view of REAL LIFE over gaming and I perfectly understand that if someone needs to go do something in real life then they need to go and do and do it regardless of how it affects me, because the same applies to myself. I think a lot of people forget that this is really just a hobby...
I'm not saying that it's ok to totally waste peoples time by literally leaving for aeons, only to return expecting everyone to be ok with that, but people are so negative over 5 minutes not playing these days that it borders on the stupid.
Drakkenfyre Jan 9th 2012 6:36PM
I am always patient with new people. I try to help those who may appear new, or don't know what they are doing. I understand if something comes up. An emergency? No problem. Go for it before any game. Your kid needs attention for whatever reason? Sure, go for them.
But I am really, really tired of people who AFK excessively. If you are a smoker, try to wait until the run is over. Making everyone wait 5 minutes every 5 minutes for a cigarette break is annoying.
If you know you can't devote some time to the instance, don't enter it. If you join, and say "I only have 15 minutes, we need to hurry this up", why did you join an instance that takes 3 hours to complete? (old BRD.)
If you are a kid and need to eat dinner or whatever, EAT IT first. Don't join, tell us you need to leave in 15 minutes, and ask if we can wait half an hour. I am as tired of impatient people as the next person, but the group should not have to wait half an hour because you can't figure out that you should do those things first before playing, or that you aren't going to get thru a longer dungeon in 15 minutes.
If you enter a group, tell the people right off the bat you will be right back, and 15 minutes later we are still waiting, don't complain when you come back and you are kicked.
drew.wrong Jan 9th 2012 6:29PM
I was eager to read this post, but was kind of disappointed with the tone. Yesterday, for the first time ever, I had to drop group due to my baby waking up. In the midst of a WoE trash pull, I heard the baby start crying (not terribly, just waking up), and asked the group to stop. They pulled the next group, and I asked them to wait again (during the pull). When the tank just ran to the next group after that, I didn't follow; I wrote them a short note saying "Sorry - I tried to say something, but the baby's awake".
I agree that you shouldn't queue if you know you're busy or rushed, but this was a case where the baby was normally asleep for the rest of the night, and has literally never once caused me to interrupt my (limited) play.
I would just say that both Mamas could have mentioned something about remaining civilized to people when unusual situations do come up.
Brett Porter Jan 9th 2012 6:59PM
I don't think you did anything wrong here, and from what they wrote above, what you did matched their advice. You attempted to play during a time you thought you would be available (scheduling ahead of time) but were not able to finish a dungeon due to a possible/potential real life emergency.
Not only that, but you let them know ahead of time that you had to leave. I don't think I would be surprised if they just kept going after you told them, I honestly would have just written the note, left after the next group of trash or boss was done.
I agree they should have been more consider, i.e. acknowledged the fact that you had to leave due to a young one. I am kinda curious though if you mentioned the baby prior to dropping group? Or it you just said stop. Perhaps more info when you need to stop would be helpful?
Also, if you had to stop playing due to a waking up young one, I would say asking them to wait for you when you may be gone for more than just a few minutes wouldn't be an appropriate expectation to have of them. Letting them know you had to go due to the child is good enough, if they don't acknowledge you leaving, well that's bad on them, but you did your part and waited until after the completion of a trash pull.
Snuzzle Jan 10th 2012 7:27AM
I think that tank was in the wrong. He could have/ should have at least acknowledged that it was ok for you to take 5 or said something like "Go ahead, we're good on trash without you." For me, as a tank, if a DPS has to go afk on trash I usually won't wait, but I do acknowledge with "Kk". If it's a healer, that's a different story, and it's beyond rude to pull without him (even if you can survive it with cooldowns).
Of course I also had one tank who didn't reply to my "STOP I NEED MANA" until I whispered him because he "didn't read party chat." :\
Langis Langley Jan 9th 2012 6:54PM
Here's how I go AFK when something pressing IRL demands my attention:
I leave.
Here's how much guilt I feel:
Nothing.
Harvoc Jan 9th 2012 8:14PM
Here's how I respond to someone who seems to have no consideration for the time of others:
I tell them off.
Here's how much guilt I feel:
None at all (it's not nothing, it's none at all)
Hunterlicious Jan 9th 2012 7:30PM
All I could think of, while reading this post, was of Clara, from The Guild. She'd never interrupt a raid because of the kids...but she might for the pizza guy. Especially if he was cute.
I think it comes down to communication, or the breakdown of communication. Many PUGs, if not most of them, are notorious when it comes to demonstrating minimal civilized behavior. I've been in PUGs where pretty much the only thing said was, "Go-go-go!" or an unleashing of insults on someone who was perceived as not playing well. At the same time, though, I've also been in PUGs that were amazingly cool and generous.
Yes, these are real people out there, but it isn't all warm and fuzzy and you're basically walking into a group of strangers. Sometimes you luck out and sometimes you get stuck with the jerks and their minions.
If you want to PUG, then prepare to witness a lot of rude behavior and bad attitudes. If you get frazzled by that, then pugging is not for you. It really isn't for me anytime I am on my healer. The lack of patience and planning usually resulted in my getting blamed for deaths that in a saner, less crackpot environment would never have occurred:
"Why didn't you send healz?"
"I was busy healing the tank who pulled the entire room while the rest of the group was a hallway away."
"You suck! I DIED!"
"No, YOU suck. You died. Oh, and don't stand in the fire/festering black hole next time."
I agree with the advice here- if there's the chance of being interrupted, don't raid/instance with a PUG. Guilds tend to be more understanding, especially if you don't abuse anyone's patience. This is an extreme case, but I remember a few guildies and I used to do instance runs with a guildie who had just become a mom. We'd play for a while, but whenever her little one needed her, the run was over. We rarely finished anything. It was a small thing, but at least she got to enjoy a little bit of the game and we liked helping her because it made her still feel like part of the guild during a time of great change in her life. Now, if you are in a PUG and something really unavoidable happens, say something to the group- if you can, finish the pull first, and unless you'll be back in- literally- a few seconds, apologize and drop group so they can get someone else. Don't expect loyalty and understanding in these circumstances.
Like someone else said- the game is supposed to be fun- not out to make you "Stressed." I think Stressed just wants to have his cake and eat it too- which is very understandable in theory, but more complicated in practice... :-)
thawedtheorc Jan 10th 2012 12:51AM
After being saddled with some health problems that limit my activities, I have learned a new phrase- Be very careful who you go into contract with.
Contract meaning any agreement I go into with anyone about anything.
So in my gaming world, I am up front of when I can and cannot do things. If I have to stop alot due to health or have to bio, I always send a private message to the Raid Leader first or let them know over Vent.
After years of doing this for work and social stuff, I get very impatient when I see people who cannot get their focus off their damn phones. We had a tank who did this in Raids and 5 mans. We noticed he kept saying phone a lot. Then one night when we were on Vent, whenever he talked, we could hear his phone beeping when he got a text and the funniest/ridiculous part was... WE COULD HERE HIM TYPING BACK.
When someone asked him if he was just texting, he said 'Yeah. I told you my phone.'
Raid kick, guild kick.
When you say you are going to devote time to others to do something, devote your time.
It is so unfair to do otherwise.
thawedtheorc Jan 10th 2012 12:52AM
Hear ugg i am tired
antieuclid Jan 10th 2012 1:05AM
I've been doing a lot of LFD on my laptop while I look after my grandfather (he's in home hospice care) and I've found groups are very understanding. Two things that I've found helpful: 1) Even though I usually tank or heal, I only queue as DPS when I know I might be interrupted. That way I'm less likely to be missed if I have to duck out. 2) I have a macro that I use at the beginning of every instance to explain that I'm taking care of my grandfather and I apologize in advance if I have to go afk or drop group unexpectedly. Not only does this mean people have an idea of why I've suddenly afked, it generally means that I don't get assigned to interrupts during boss fights.
goldeneye Jan 12th 2012 3:07AM
This is why I am dps 99% of the time. I don't tank or heal when I can be interrupted. When there's a reasonable chance I even inform the group beforehand.
I only raid (LFR only) on adequately long stretches of free time.