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1-15-2012 @ 12:30PM
Do you think Blizzard will reconsider their stance on separating regular modes and hard modes (like the ToC) for MoP?There are a lot of issues caused by all the rules governing what you do in a 25man not letting you do certain things in the 10man cleanup. I don't know all the details, but I just know that some of my guildmates get frustrated at the limiting factors.For the most part, I understood Blizz's decision to put 10/25 on the same lockout. It made sense when players were running themselves ragged doing ICC 10 AND 25 every week. However, the LFR seems to bring that back all the same! Now people feel obligated to run both the LFR and the normal (or hard mode) of the Dragon Soul.I think if given the choice, a lot of players, after gearing up via the LFR, would move on to running the regular mode and then attempting hard modes (if that were an option in the future). Heck, just separate them where we have 3 choices, and make it so we can only run 2... Players can start out doing LFR and regulars and then move on to regular and hard mode runs.We're less than 2 months into 4.3, and I'm pretty burnt out on DS already. Running it twice on my main, and now the LFR lets all my alts get into the EZ mode action. I just wish they'd ease up on the regular/hard mode restrictions and let the players that want do do a separate hard mode run do it without having restrictions due to how they ran the regular mode.
1-15-2012 @ 1:13PM
Everyone has their own preference, but I for one am glad to not feel like I have to run separate 10 and 25 mans of the same run each week (plus heroic and normal modes of each once you reach that point) in order to continue justifying a spot in the progression raid. There were months where my guild would be running TOC & ICC, all four modes, and it would just drive you slowly insane.So why do it? No one's holding a gun to your head, right? Because you didn't want to look like you weren't taking the guild's goals seriously. That you didn't care about progression because you only wanted to run twice a week vs. four times a week. Because even if you only wanted to do 10s with your closer friends, the better ilvl gear was in the 25s. It was almost like you had to do the same run four times a week for various reasons. It was practically a part-time job. Our guild went defunct at the end of Wrath from sheer burnout.
1-15-2012 @ 1:39PM
To clarify, I'm good with the 10 / 25 situation as it is now - same loot, same lockout. What I don't like is the limitations on finishing a raid...Let's say you did a ,mix of HM and regular bosses in FL 25, but then didn't have time to finish Domo and Rag. Trying to finish the raid ID in 10man would restrict you in some ways... Like it wouldn't let you do HM Domo.I'm certainly not looking for the return of 4 lockouts like ToC... I just wish they would create a distinction between regular and HM. And the LFR is already the source of much burnout. I feel forced to run it although I only need 2 drops from it that are upgrades. And IMO, it's better to run it for that chance and the VP than the 5mans where i might get a few maelstroms if I'm lucky... And not to mention alts! I have 3 alts that can easily get through the LFR. I've already seen the DS fights more than I care to, and we're probably 6-9 months away from new content... /SIGH
1-15-2012 @ 2:29PM
@Abbadon: Agreed on LFR. In the very beginning, people were at least *trying* to not be asses. But it seems like since the progression-minded players got what they needed to gain a performance advantage in normal mode, their spots are more frequently being occupied with people who are fine with being "carried." And let me be clear about that - I don't care what someone's ability is, so long as they are *trying* to do their best. But to AFK half the fight, then roll and win loot, that's pretty galling. Or rolling on loot with no intent of using it, and then trying to sell it in raid. So I'd say the burnout in LFR is for entirely different reasons than four mode burnout.As for 10/25 mode, I'm starting to think that the future of raid content will see 25-mans go the way of the 40-mans. How do I justify this? Development effort. WoW is a mature game; so long as it makes Blizzard money, they will continue to support it, but any place they can trim without destroying the overall experience, they will. Having to tune the encounter for two different models takes effort, and frankly the number of permutations to have to account for in 25-mans is a lot more diverse. The reason 25 mans still exist is a vestigial nod to the old 40-man model designed to help as many players go through raid content as possible. But with the LFR being a resounding success, there is almost NO justification to join a guild just because you want to raid; hence, organized raid play on a large scale, which is frankly a PITA to organize, I believe will be phased out. Maybe they'll merge 10s and 25s to 15s? (Of course, 40s will continue on in PVP play - there's no reason at all to take that away, since there is little to no content tuning that takes place.)
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