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1-16-2012 @ 11:09PM
@ValisYour overly optimistic view on how guilds will get stronger is flawed on SO many levels BUT I will concede one thing: LFR in particular does a good job of keeping people in enough purples so they don't get all bent out of shape if they don't get the loot drops they want in regulars or heroics. But you still haven't addressed my original issue: Guilds don't NEED to exist at all aside from guild perks. You don't need anyone's help to do heroics, you don't need anyone's help to raid, you don't need anyone's help to do ANYTHING in the game at ALL now aside from the things guild perks themselves provide, so all people want to know is "are you a level 25 guild already?" If that's a players first response, I'll always send them packing. Unless your guild is top end progression you aren't anything 'special', and nobody gives a damn about your tabard, your website, your code of ethics or any of that, it's all about what can THEY get out of you. So as for getting stronger, perhaps you need to take a hard look at how things have wound up, many larger guilds simply fizzle out, many raiding guilds on the servers I play on have disappeared, people are to the point of offering to level and gear up people in the hopes of POSSIBLY fielding a raiding group... how is that 'stronger' exactly?And why, when my guilds in particular weren't even raiding guilds, and hardly the 'gatekeepers of raiding', we had a stronger core group, we actually raided more, and we had a PURPOSE even when we weren't doing endgame content. How is it that we were more social and more willing to help each other out when someone needed to run a dungeon or somesuch? Now people barely even grunt a 'hello' at each other before hopping in the LFG/LFR queues. They do their stuff, hang out a few minutes in Stormwind afterwards and then log? It's hardly a unique problem, some of our ex members say the same thing is happening in the guilds they moved to. Stronger indeed... :P
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