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1-18-2012 @ 11:07PM
My guild is casual. We are so casual, we spent more than a month wiping on Rag after nerfs. But I DO NOT WANT this nerf. This is completely unnecessary. We been progressing through DS at a steady, reasonable pace. First we got 2 bosses down. Ping pong took us another week and went into 4/8. Wiped on Ultraxion for one week. Then 2 weeks on Blackhorn. Just this week we had a stab at Spine and it was going really good. I'm sure we will get it this week. Then next week will Madness. But no, it will be nerfed and I will never experience the fight on normal mode the way it was meant to *sigh*. (yes, we could turn off the buff to see how it is without the buff...but i'm sure, by popular demand, our progression is going to be with a buff. it is stupid to turn off a buff when everyone else is working with it). I don't understand the logic behind what Blizzard is doing here. I did think Firelands was overtuned and the nerfs were needed (although, again our guild was totally fine working through it on our own pace) but DS is so much easier than Firelands. People can see content through LFR, the raid is easier than previous tier, WHY ARE THEY NERFING THEN? I'm not raging, I'm sincerely curious (although I admit there is a bit of rage...) But I really just want to know WHY.
1-18-2012 @ 11:21PM
What part of optional did you not understand? Simply turn the buff off if you do not want it. Bam. Normal difficulty.
1-18-2012 @ 11:26PM
"For any number of reasons a group may be having difficulty on a specific encounter each week, and our intent in adjusting the content is to ensure the ability to keep progressing, enjoying the content, and gearing up."It may not be an agreeable reason, but that's what they're giving.
Your guild is fine. That doesn't mean that every guild raiding DS is fine. Blizzard apparently has decided that they want more guilds going through this content, so they provided a completely optional nerf. I'll just be over here enjoying LFR.
1-18-2012 @ 11:32PM
Spider, I know what optional means, you don't have to be insulting. In fact I raided Icecrown when we had this buff and I have not known a single guild, hardcore or otherwise, that turned off the buff. You know why? BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MATTER. No one cared if you killed LK with buff turned off or on. They just know you killed him. Yes, if my guild wants a challenge we might turn off the buff. But we won't do it probably because people won't care enough. On a larger scale the content has been nerfed. Blizzard decided that hardcore guilds had their fun and now they need to hand out loot to everyone else. It is Blizzard's mindset and attitude that I do not want and it has nothing to do with the clicking off a button. I eloborated on this issue further in the comment above.
1-19-2012 @ 12:28AM
"Just this week we had a stab at Spine and it was going really good. I'm sure we will get it this week. Then next week will Madness. But no, it will be nerfed and I will never experience the fight on normal mode the way it was meant to *sigh*. "That's great. But, and I struggle to find a polite way to say this, you're moving too slow and you're late to the party. If you want to get the encounters done pre-nerf, then you have to get them down before the nerf. If you can't get them down before the nerf, then you need to man up and accept that you need help.Really, are you pissed at Blizzard for nerfing the content, or at yourself and your team for not having been able to clear the content faster?
1-19-2012 @ 1:06AM
I apologize for being snippy, looking back on my comment the attitude was a bit unnecessary. I'm just honestly baffled over the complaints against this sort of thing.I realize it's nice to finish content before these types of nerfs are introduced, but I think this method is a fantastic way of doing it rather than across the board changes. This way remains optional, and even if you feel a little grumpy over not being able to complete the raids before the buffs roll out, that normal mode is still there and you can still have access to the content 'as it was meant to be'.
1-19-2012 @ 1:34AM
@zapwidget, If I wanted to get content down faster I would join a hard core guild but I'm perfectly happy with the people I raid with. Like many other guilds, I'm sure, we enjoy challenges though. We are not interested in doing hard modes because they take too much work and usually beyond our skill level, but they are plenty of guilds out there that are doing them and for them it's progression. It doesn't matter at which point of progression you are in, when the content is current and "un nerfed" you are doing some sort of meaningful progression. This meaningful progression is taken away by nerfs. It's like bringing the tier of content artificially to its end or doing it an artificially fast way. Yes, maybe our guild was too slow in getting this content down fast, but why does it have to be this fast? Some nerfs are reasonable (firelands one for example, very few guilds very getting ragnaros down) but when lots of normal guilds are progressing thought content the way it should be done (again, not just my guil but plenty of other guilds whether the ones working on hard modes or still doing normal) I don't see a point in a nerf (especially so soon). You are free to disagree with me; it's alright :)
1-19-2012 @ 1:50AM
@Spider, I see what you mean but really the buff is not really optional. This has been discussed many times over way back when the ICC buffs came out and I don't want get into that issue again. I guess I'm being slightly selfish in my stance but I do wish our guild completed the raid while it was more current. I'm not one of those hardcore elitist though that say "noooo nerfs. Now every scrub can get lootz" at least? XD I'm just lamenting about the fact that nerfs came so quickly for content that's easier to begin with (and I think that's the opinion of the majority of players right now just like the majority found the ragnaros encounter per nerf a bit too difficult for example)
1-19-2012 @ 6:52AM
"My guild is casual. We are so casual, we spent more than a month wiping on Rag"A "so casual" guild hasn't seen Rag, even now.You do understand there's a difference between "casual" and "hardcore"? Any guild that can make it to the final boss while the content is still current comfortably rests on the hardcore end of the scale.
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