Encrypted Text: How fast can you get Fangs of the Father?

Last week, a rogue obtained the very first pair of legendary daggers, Fangs of the Father. The spelling of the rogue's name is Имбос, and I can only imagine it sounds like the words "borscht" and "gulag" combined, because those are the only two Russian words that I know. You might recognize Имбос's guild, Exorsus, as the guild that achieved the world-first Glory of the Dragon Soul Raider. Thankfully, I can actually pronounce Exorsus. How could one guild win both the Glory achievement and legendary dagger races?
In fact, how could any rogue have obtained the Fangs of the Father when they take eight weeks to acquire, at the very least? If you're keeping track, there have been seven raid lockout periods since patch 4.3 and Dragon Soul were released. If you examine Имбос's armory, you'll notice that there are a combined nine kills of Yor'sahj listed (three normal, six heroic). Lockout resetting is a known issue for progression raiders, but since it hasn't been declared an exploit by Blizzard, there's nothing stopping players from spending some cash to get ahead. I'll be waiting to congratulate the first rogue to acquire Fangs of the Father in a mathematically possible timetable.
Wait, eight weeks?
Acquiring the Fangs of the Father is a pretty simple project. Raid Dragon Soul every week, complete a few assassination missions along the way, and you'll be wielding legendary daggers in just a few months. The acquisition phase has two portions: one where we open Elementium Gem Clusters to obtain Shadowy Gems, and one where we just keep the Elementium Gem Clusters.
Raiders in 10-man environments can pick up a maximum of eight clusters per week, while 25-man raiders will pick up about 15 a week. Interestingly, the drop rates don't change on heroic mode, so casual 8/8 guilds get as many clusters per week as hardcore 8/8 heroic guilds. Since both phases of the quest rely on obtaining Elementium Gem Clusters and 25-man guilds acquire clusters about twice as fast, a 25-man guild will complete about two sets of Fangs of the Father for every single set that a 10-man guild completes. It's not the 2.5:1 ratio that many people expected, but I think 2:1 is a pretty fair trade-off.
If you are clearing Dragon Soul in a 10-man raid every week, it will take you about seven weeks to obtain enough Shadowy Gems to move on to the next stage. We pick up about six gems per cluster, and we obtain eight clusters per week, which means we'll acquire 333 gems after seven weeks. For phase two, the math is even easier. Since we're guaranteed to get one cluster per boss, we know that we need to kill exactly 60 bosses to get the necessary 60 clusters. At a rate of eight bosses per week, that's about eight weeks of clearing Dragon Soul.
Add in a final Deathwing kill, and you'll have your Fangs of the Father in just under four months. For 10-man rogues, like myself or Tillman, we're only halfway there as of today, so the finish date is still two months away. If we speculate that Mists of Pandaria will be released toward the end of 2012, then there's time for three rogues to obtain the legendary daggers per 10-man raid group. Since 25-man rogues acquire their clusters about twice as fast, it only takes them eight weeks. Realistically, you could cycle through six rogues per 25-man group over the course of 2012.
Fangs of the Father vs. Dragonwrath
From start to finish, after all of the adjustments, it will take a caster in a 10-man raid about five months to acquire a Dragonwrath. While the initial time from start to finish for Dragonwrath might be longer than that of Fangs of the Father, the major difference is that multiple casters can be collecting pieces of Dragonwrath simultaneously. Only one rogue can be working on Fangs of the Father at a time, since both phases of the quest rely on Elementium Gem Clusters.
Once one rogue completes his legendary daggers, the next rogue must start from scratch. When a caster completes a Dragonwrath, there will be another caster ready to take his place on the final phase the following week. Each rogue legendary is a full 15 weeks apart, while casters will start to complete Dragonwraths every five or six weeks after the first. This allows many more casters to acquire Dragonwraths over the same period of time when compared to rogues.
The accelerated acquisition rate of Dragonwrath makes sense, since there are multiple casters per raid group but typically only a couple of rogues. The real downside to Fangs of the Father is that only the first rogues to acquire them will actually get to use them on progression content. By the time the second wave of rogues are finishing up their quest line, most guilds will have everything on farm status. It's sort of like all of the death knights and warriors who picked up Shadowmournes in Wrath's waning hours, only to replace them with blue weapons from early Cataclysm quests.
Fangs of the Father aren't PvE daggers
Unless you're one of the lucky rogues who was chosen first to receive your Fangs of the Father, all PvE content will already be irrelevant by the time you acquire them. While you might think that's an oversight by the developers, it's actually the opposite.
Fangs of the Father are the first rogue-only legendary. In fact, they're the first class-specific legendary. They weren't given to us to stab Deathwing with; they were given to us to slay the opposing faction with. Do you really want to earn your legendary daggers and then only raid Dragon Soul for the next year, week in and week out? I am going to go plunge my orange stabbers into the hearts of every single Alliance player I can find, regardless of their level or intention.
Blizzard is giving me nearly a year of godlike power, and I'm not going to let that go to waste defeating the same scripted encounter 50 times. If I have my way, the Dragon Aspects will be calling a meeting later this year to figure out how to solve the rampant string of assassinations before there's no life left on Azeroth.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
Lugh Jan 18th 2012 9:18AM
The pronunciation is something like "imboss." My guess is he's using a play on the English "I'm the boss."
hicks Jan 18th 2012 10:17AM
I am the machine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PAtFsJY5q0
(not the actual translation, just a relevant and funny story)
Chase Christian Jan 18th 2012 11:08AM
Looks like Tony Danza plays a rogue!
Thanks for the info.
SamLowry Jan 18th 2012 8:42PM
...about the right height...
nordveien Jan 21st 2012 12:49AM
It's much simpler than that, Имба is a transliteration of "imba", so my guess is Имбос is derived from that word. And I can bet anything it has nothing to do with "being the boss".
And yeah, my native language is Russian.
robsmith77 Jan 18th 2012 9:31AM
It's going to quite interesting to see just how many rogues obtain their daggers after only eight weeks, and then to see how the rate ramps up over the following eight weeks. Pity the poor rogues in my guild - we're only 4/8 normal and not looking like we're going to defeat Deathwing any time soon!
Everclear Jan 18th 2012 9:49AM
"Fangs of the Father are the first rogue-only legendary. In fact, they're the first class-specific legendary."
Ehhhh, that's only a technicality, but let's be honest here: We all know what was up with the Warglaives off Illidan. Those were Rogue weapons through and through.
Nate Jan 18th 2012 5:11PM
I'm pretty sure Thori'dal is an undisputed hunter weapon, too (and, come Mists, only hunters will be able to equip it).
nickwashere Jan 18th 2012 6:37PM
Aren't all weapons indisputably hunter weapons?
Tillman Jan 18th 2012 10:04AM
Thanks for the plug Chase. Luckily the guild I am privileged to raid with has two 10-man teams that are 1/8hm. Another rogue in my guild Jonrock is a few gems ahead of me, so it looks like our guild is on pace for 2 legendary rogues in about two months.
I am starting the questline on my third rogue as soon as i can find a pickpocket group, because he doesn't get much attention, and lousy gear.
The questline so far has been amazing! I cant wait to gank some more black dragons! (and/or alliance caught slippin)
chefjr3 Jan 18th 2012 2:12PM
It's great to see a rogue from TFC in the race for it. TFC has been my home server since late 2007 when i started playing and I love it. Best of luck Tillman!!
Bylak Jan 18th 2012 10:44AM
I know this is off topic, but if MoP is coming out at the end of 2012 as opposed to mid-late summer it's going to SUCK. Especially with no further content planned for Cataclysm (minus bux fixes and the MoP world event of course).
Adam Jan 18th 2012 1:26PM
My guess is that Blizz intended people being enthralled with Diablo III just enough to not be bored this year. But yeah, for the strictly WoW community, things will be scarce.
SamLowry Jan 18th 2012 3:21PM
Didn't the big boss interviewed yesterday that that the Raid Finder would keep folks occupied for "a few months" and then Pandaria would drop?
That story sticks to the summer release many have been predicting for a while now.
Bylak Jan 18th 2012 10:46AM
I know it's off topic, but if MoP is coming out at the end of 2012 as opposed to mid-late summer that is going to SUCK. That's an extremely long wait with no planned content updates for Cataclysm (minus bug fixes and the MoP world event, of course).
matt Jan 18th 2012 11:16AM
I can't really imagine Blizz making such a huge blunder. The privilege of releasing it "when it is done" may not be on the table for them this go round. MoP will drop this summer, even if there are some problems, even if features need to get cut, even if summer is a crappy time to release a video game. Blizz is painted into a corner on MoP, I assume they are smart enough that they would not end up in this position without a plan. Blizz does not screw up badly that often.
/speculation
if not... well, at least the free copy of diablo (~ $60) will offset 4 months of wasted WoW sub money.
VSUReaper Jan 18th 2012 11:28AM
Nobody knows for sure. Its not like Blizz is recoding an entire world, its only a continent and a few dungeons. Mists, in all actuality could be out as soon as March.... but it wont be.
I'm calling an August date - earlier than past xpac releases, later than summer.
Here is my question about the daggers though: is there any RP announcement that someone got the daggers? Is there any reward for the guilds like the pet "lil Tarecgosa"?
Ace Jan 18th 2012 11:46AM
I'll say late may/early june
durandal Jan 18th 2012 11:36AM
I thought the Fangs were given to rogues because there has been a steady decline of raiding rogues for quite some time now, and they really needed a tool to reclaim their position. I hope it's not a farewell gift, since with the next xpac, everybody and their grannie will play a monk abd I expect a tough competition for the melee slots.
Pyromelter Jan 18th 2012 11:57AM
Not just raiding rogues, all rogues. I could be wrong but last I checked the population numbers, rogues were the least played class out of all 10 classes.