4 steps for dealing with Raid Finder harassment

The three main types of WoW bullies
In my real life, I work with kids. I've spent the past third of my 24-year life working with kids. As a result, I've been exposed to a lot of bullies, both online and on the playground. There are a few staple things to remember about people who are also bullies, particularly when it comes to the Raid Finder. Here's who you'll find there.
1. The Covering for His Own Inadequacies Bully This is your archetypical bully cliché, but it's grounded in reality. These bullies are horrifically self-conscious, and they're just lashing out at whoever's handy because they're afraid that if they don't, they're going to be the one picked out and picked on. We've all been here; it's called high school (also Congress, but I repeat myself).
These bullies are fairly common in your average Raid Finder run. Just yesterday, I ran a RF with Shelam, my blood death knight. Now, Shelam has an average ilevel of 378 and has tanked all of RF before, but he was called out and almost vote-kicked by three players: another blood DK who was trying to tank while dual-wielding Souldrinkers (a big no-no), his friend and guildmate the last-on-meters fire mage, and an unholy death knight who was fully gemmed for stamina despite being a DPS class. They all called me out for being undergeared, most likely because I was the easiest target in the raid due to my lone remaining blue item, an ilevel 346 helm. Had they not gone after me, it would have been easy for them to have been the recipients of some harsh (if accurate) words, so they chose to go on the attack instead. That let them redirect the blame and their insecurity onto me while feeling empowered because they were making accusations instead of fielding them.
2. The You're a Threat to My Gear Drops Bully Less Psych 101 and more Seminar: People are Jerks. Remember three things: First, that you're raiding in WoW. Second, you're raiding on the internet, essentially playing a game with the proletariat. Third, WoW raids are loot-based. While people might run the Raid Finder once for the lore aspect, the ones who are running it weekly are there for loot.
In the case of the above example, I was competition for all three of those players' Vanquisher token drops and competition for the other death knight's tanking gear. Trying to orchestrate a vote kick in order to lessen the competition for loot drops is a powerful motivator for players, and their main way of doing it is convincing the rest of the raid that you're not worth keeping. It's petty and rude and self-centered ... and you should probably expect it.
3. The Elitist Egotist Bully This is mostly likely the worst kind of bully you'll find in the Raid Finder, mainly because there's not much you can do about them. The group of bullies I've belonged to in the past, these are your heroic mode raiders who deign to grace your RF group with their presence so that they can take their Dragonwrath, Tarecgosa's Rest, top meters and then call you all bad for not doing the same. These are the ones who are going to complain every time you get loot, not because they need it but because you don't deserve it.

Now, how to deal with them?
The first thing to do when confronted with a bully is to realize that you're not going to change anyone's attitude. You're not going to make anyone suddenly see the light and realize what they're doing is harmful, mean, and socially unacceptable on anything that isn't the internet. As a result, we're going to talk less about changing them and more about helping you.
1. Don't take it personally. I hate to use such a hackneyed phrase, and I'm well aware of the counterarguments to it. You are being personally attacked and in a way that could cause emotional or mental distress. So why do I say not to take it personally?
I say this because, chances are, you're awesome. I don't know you personally, but I'm going to assume you are -- and you should, too. The fact is that people on the internet don't know you; they have
no idea that you go to work and try to cure cancer, or that you're the coolest mom in the world, or anything else about your life. They don't know you.So when I say don't take it personally, I mean this: People are attacking a virtual character that doesn't even begin to encompass who you are as a person. In that context, what they're doing is incredibly trite, and you shouldn't let it ruin your day. If it's harassing you, report it, and continue to always remember that you're awesome.
2. Don't fight back. By "don't fight back," I don't mean you should take it in silence; I mean don't make a spectacle. Rabble-rousers of any sort are likely to get kicked by the mob mentality of the RF crew, and even someone who is totally in the right will get kicked for supposedly being a dramamonger. So, first off, report the player harassing you.
Second, if particular problems are stated, address them calmly. If you're called out for not stacking on Ultraxion and dying to a full Twilight Instability, explain that you made a mistake and that you won't do it again. While some players (particularly elitists) might continue to hold it against you, being able to show that you recognized you did something wrong and are willing to take steps to change it is a powerful and positive message to send. I've known a large number of raiders in guild groups who couldn't manage that, and the few who can are always well appreciated.
Finally, under the Don't Fight Back heading: Don't resort to name-calling and petty exchanges. They won't help, and they won't prove that you know what you're doing. They'll alienate you from the rest of your group just as well as being singled out will. Prove your maturity and your competence, and the less-vocal majority should be behind you.
3. Know your stuff and play your best. When you enter the Raid Finder, you enter into a contract with 24 other players that you'll do your best and will work to down the content. The best way to avoid any type of harassing or bullying behavior is by holding up your end of that bargain.

Second, follow through and gem and enchant properly. I've known plenty of players who can tell me how they should be gemmed and enchanted but who don't because it's too expensive. That might be the case, but a green-quality, 30-agility gem is always going to beat a blue-quality, 50-stamina gem for an enhancement shaman; there are ways to be thrifty while being good.
Finally, learn the fights before you see them. Icy-veins, Learn to Raid, Fatboss, and our Ready Check column all have guides to the fights you'll be seeing, so take some time to review them before clicking that queue button.
4. If all else fails, leave. At the end of the day, World of Warcraft is a video game that we ultimately play to have fun. If you are not having fun, if other players are doing their best to make sure you're feeling the worst, leave. You owe nothing to anyone else in the group, and it's no mark of shame on your character. If you don't want to be there, if you're not having fun, if you're feeling mentally and emotionally harangued, you owe to yourself to leave. Sure, you might have to rerun a boss in a subsequent run, but killing Morchok twice in one week and having fun doing it is more important than getting through Hagara and having a miserable time in the process.
Filed under: Analysis / Opinion, Raiding, Cataclysm






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 6)
facepalmer2 Jan 30th 2012 5:04PM
The Covering for His Own Inadequacies Bully ..worst one!
clundgren Jan 30th 2012 5:48PM
But pretty much a myth. See my post below.
musicchan Jan 30th 2012 7:11PM
I suppose we've all had our bad experiences, but the "covering" bully is one I can easily laugh off and ignore.
My personal experience puts the Elitist Bully at the top. Just last night I was in a raid finder where there were several of them and they kicked THREE TANKS (who were doing fine, to be honest) because of small infractions. IF they died, they spent the entire time complaining about how the group was going to fail because they were dead and saying really horrible and insulting things about the players who were still alive.
I have run into some really bad elitist bullies. :(
Xaklo Jan 31st 2012 3:36AM
About the Elitest bullies: anyone else fell like you're getting "gated" from gear by this jerks? What I mean is that they come in with their heroic gear and still roll need on EVERY PIECE OF LOOT, whether just to troll everyone else or to vendor it, they are purposefully preventing under geared players from getting the loot they need. It feels like I've been running raid finder forever just for a trinket, only to have it ninja'd week after week in better geared players.
These same kind of personalities are the arena-geared PvPers who run non-rated BGs farming kills, effectively gating the opposite faction by limiting their honor gained.
There's really no way to know if these players are doing this just to keep players below them or not, but it really just doesn't seem fair; non-rated BGs and raid finder are supposed to bridge the gap between more casual content and more hardcore. But far too many players are stuck behind cause these fun suckers won't let them advance.
nieboh Jan 31st 2012 10:08AM
@Xaklo I feel for you. I've been running the lfr trying to pick up a few pieces to compliment my gear from our guild's regular 10 man runs (like the lfr chest and shoulder tokens). So, I was rolling only on those few pieces I needed and passing on everything else. Then I noticed that other people were rolling on need for everything they could regardless of actual need, and that didn't strike me as fair. So, I've started rolling need on everything, too. The other day I won a piece of gear that I had no intention of using but was going to disenchant it for the crystal after the run. Another mage whispered me saying, "Hey, you've got a better piece than that and I could really use the item" so I handed it to him, no huhu. So...you might try doing the same. Maybe they are like me and will gladly hand it over, or maybe they really are a Grabby McNeedy who will tell you to get bent. Either way, I can't see how it can possibly hurt to ask.
Ballmung Jan 31st 2012 1:15PM
Not sure whether to put this guy in as an inadequacies bully or an elitist bully. But running RF on my pally I ran into this one tank who for some reason thought he was just awesome. Wanted to take everything in terms of trash by taunting off me and even soloing bosses. On the Yor'sahj trash I'm trying to kite the purple ones away so there's no problem, until he and warrior decide to pull it back. Boss comes around and he says he doesn't want me to tank thinking he can just take all the stacks of the debuff. What's more is the warrior dps is agreeing with him and says if the one tank doesn't die I need to pass on all loot. Low and behold the tank dies 15-20% left on the boss and I pick him right up. They both shut up the rest of the raid. Was nice. Until after Hagara where he whispered me calling me a baddie. Then immediately dropped group. It's rare I remember actual names of characters and realms they're on but I won't forget this guy cuz how funny it was having him shut the hell up.
Desmentia Jan 31st 2012 5:00PM
Xaklo Jan 31st 2012 3:36AM
"About the Elitest bullies: anyone else fell like you're getting "gated" from gear by this jerks? What I mean is that they come in with their heroic gear and still roll need on EVERY PIECE OF LOOT, whether just to troll everyone else or to vendor it, they are purposefully preventing under geared players from getting the loot they need. It feels like I've been running raid finder forever just for a trinket, only to have it ninja'd week after week in better geared players."
Two things.
Firstly, trinkets are scarce enough that for many normal/heroic raiders, the raid finder trinkets are still an upgrade.
Second, even if any specific normal/heroic raider never queued, you would still have someone rolling need on the majority of eligible loot in that slot of the raid. Non-raiders take loot too.
Avaric Jan 30th 2012 5:12PM
I put them on ignore. I know the fights, I know my class, I just keep doing what I do and let them flail around all they want.
Arkki Jan 30th 2012 5:13PM
Sadly, the raid finder can be the wild west in terms of how people act. I would underscore the "if all else fails" aspect of leaving. Sometimes, it pisses them off more if you hang in there through it ;) . If 2-3 people are being fannyhats, i can pretty much guarantee that there are a large number of other people wishing they would shut their mouths.
Snuzzle Jan 31st 2012 9:26AM
I absolutely a gree. I thought RDF was bad, but RDF doesn't hold a candle to LFR. If you sneeze wrong, you'll be kicked. Period.
I can handle the bullies. I know that I know my stuff and it doesn't bother me. I can laugh about it with my friends but the ridiculous amount of kicking needs to stop.
We wiped? Kick the bottom 5 DPS, even if they're performing more than adeqately (and target switching when the top 5 DPS aren't). Tank died? Kick him or kick the healer, whoever's ilvl is lower. Kick anyone who asks for clarifcation on the fight. Kick because it's Wednesday. Kick bcause your dinner was a little burnt.
I don't know if they need to put in harsher kick penalties or what, but I've been kicked for everything from standing up for a targeted abusee to asking to take a bio while everyone was running back (and I had already gotten back).
Ez Jan 30th 2012 5:18PM
So true! i actually had a player chase me around my server later whispering nasty things on several of his toons for getting loot he wanted. I did report him. And i absolutely HATE players who cuss and throw a fit if they don't win something. Especially the ones who already have i397 lol.
But i have to say there are a lot of really nice players who volunteer to give others the loot they win if it is a duplicate or they see someone who really 'needs' it. I gave a nice Rogue in i360 stuff a token i got. I figure what goes around comes around!
Rust Jan 31st 2012 9:50AM
"But i have to say there are a lot of really nice players who volunteer to give others the loot they win if it is a duplicate or they see someone who really 'needs' it. I gave a nice Rogue in i360 stuff a token i got. I figure what goes around comes around!"
This is something that I do. I know there have been threads where people look down on this with the reasoning that I'm circumventing Blizzard's loot policy to 'play god', but there's game theory happening here that says what I'm doing is for the best. Me rolling Need on gear I don't need in order to hand it out gives the underdog a better shot - in essence I am defending myself and others from those who are going to roll Need on everything - to troll, or to vendor.
I will say however, that I also roll in order to trade with people, and I think this is completely justified as well. Everyone put in the same amount of effort, therefore is entitled to the same amount of gear regardless of personal situation. Obviously other people in LFR don't care if I 'only need Will of Unbinding', so this is a fair and effective defence.
Ez Jan 31st 2012 10:24PM
True, and if you have several toons your run RF with it can get crazy remembering what each one has or needs, even with an auto roller, so sometimes you get a duplicate and it is only fair to let someone else have it if they really need it or forget to roll need. It isn't like you give it to them for gold, unless they are on your server and you blackmail them or something lol
loop_not_defined Jan 30th 2012 5:19PM
One thing you'll encounter in LFR is the jerk that leaves, but only after prematurely starting the boss fight for everyone else. Since wipes easily cause /leave cascades in LFR, a premature start can be incredibly detrimental to your play time.
This is reportable. GMs consider this to be a form of harassment and will take action accordingly.
Again, this only applies to a player who starts a fight and then IMMEDIATELY leaves the raid.
Adegan Jan 30th 2012 10:11PM
Had that happen on Yosahj, but the boss despawned when the player left. So no great dramas there.
Nina Katarina Jan 31st 2012 7:56AM
I think I ran into a whole group that was doing that. It was two Sundays ago. I zoned in to a fresh instance. We pulled the first trash, then someone pulled in another group. A priest blamed a hunter for doing it, told us to kick him. We pulled the next group, another double pull, a wipe, a druid blamed the same hunter, we kicked him. The hunter pulled a trash pack as he was leaving, we dealt with that. Then we got more folks in, tried to pull the next trash pack and hurray, another double pull. The priest blames a different hunter. I dropped group.
Half an hour later, I queued for Siege of Wyrmrest again. Got a group on Morchok. It contained the same priest and druid who had been blaming hunters for pulling double packs. Sure enough, I pulled the boss, a trash pack got pulled and some warlock was blamed by that priest.
I suspect they had been spending the afternoon trolling. I put the priest and druid on ignore.
TonyMcS Jan 31st 2012 9:10AM
Way back in the day when Quake was king and Enemy Territory was a free team game, there was one map where you spawned in a barracks. One door and collision detection was enough for one player to hold a whole team in. That player is probably pushing 50 now, but I bet he's still an arsehole.
The incidence of active jerks in RF seems to be increasing, I cycle 6 toons through it playing 4 healers and a mage and hunter. To the jerk, the meta game is to annoy people, confuse them and generally wreak havoc. I've had more people killing tentacles on DW's back - sometimes all of them, priests life gripping people out of the purple swirlies on the boat, multiple slime groups pulled and the always favourite of starting an encounter with light on healers, low health and mana.
Kicking people is ironically also random, as this is a place where evidence is not taken and reasons aren't given. I was in RF with 2 guildies and our healer was almost immediately killed on the boat due to the tank not grabbing threat. At the end of the fight a vote kick was called on him due to him only doing 8k (and no they didn't even bres the tanks who had both died ;-) ). The vote went through and we left as well, so they had three people to replace. Hell, unless I can see an injustice was done, I would have probably voted yes too, just to get moving. There's simply not enough time to evaluate each vote kick (although Blizz could insist a reason has to appear) and sometimes when you are having multiple wipes on a fight you've romped through a number of times before, you'll do anything just to make it stop ;-)
The good LFRs do make up for it though. When maybe 20 people know the fight and most people are doing their jobs, it's a pleasure and it's great to participate in 25 person raids. I'm sure the elitists view it as proof that enough monkeys and typewriters can produce Shakespeare, but it's an experience I've only had rarely, even though playing since WoW Classic.
Most of the posters have already offered the tools from our meagre toolbox. Report jerks and bullies and feel free to try and kick them and then //ignore them. It's a game and you're in it to enjoy yourself, so do what you can to help to weed out the killjoys and move on.
Mikayah Jan 30th 2012 5:23PM
My biggest issue with RF bullies have been folks that propose a kick-vote and get someone booted just because so many absentmindedly hit "Yes" knowing that the slot will fill momentarily, and who really cares about "Random_Toon" singled out for the reasons you discuss above. Not that I have anything to propose, but I do wish the system was not so easily "exploited" by "bullies".
SamLowry Jan 30th 2012 11:05PM
This is the best excuse for instituting a penalty of some sort for agreeing to kick someone who isn't linkdead. The devs have already said that folks who frequently initiate kick votes are eventually punished by having to wait longer and longer before they can initiate another vote, but mindlessly agreeing to go along is just as bad.
Perhaps there should be a limit to the number of times you can kick anyone in a week.
Prissa Jan 31st 2012 2:19AM
Been there. Had a number of people leave just after Madness was pulled. So the gaps were filled but the new raiders couldn't zone in as the encounter was in progress. So, after the wipe, the vocal few broadcasted "HEALER X DID NOTHING ON RECOUNT, KICK HIM" and even though he said many times the reason why and people defended him, he was kicked. I know that people actually run without raid chat showing coz they don't want to read the crap that people whine about. It really comes down to the fact that a lot of people just don't care and just want their loot/vp quicker.