That 10-25 man quarell always fascinated me. Seems that people fail to understand that 10man and 25man are just different, and most of all they require different strategies thats why a 25man guild may wipe on 10man hcs if they havent revised the strategy, that doesnt make it harder or easier just different. And finally the only thing that 25s have "more" than 10s is 0.5 more BR, i will exclude the legenary quarrel that is rediculous.

But to get back in track to the subject of this topic that is RL/GL 25man guilds I feel the need to say that it is sad, 25man raiding is dying due to 10man offering the same things with much less effort in organisation and maybe for some much more fun, than constant wiping cause 2-4 ppl in your team are dragged from the others.

I am between the ideas of turning my guild to 10 or quitting the game for the past year, however when you have a guild in your hands that started as 40 man it is hard to take such a decision, also when you have 18-20 sign ups every raid it makes the decision even harder, cause u need to get rid of 10 ppl u play with for 6-7 years together and who is the GM that can take the burden of such a decision. On the other hand it has become impossible to keep up 25man raiding due to those 4-5 ppl missing every raid and due to a server where aliance side is dead. Also due to the new era of players, the new generation that was raised in the game believing naxxramas (the 25version) was what raiding is about. Join-One shot-Loot-Brag.

For me Naxxramas was the beginning of the end in the game, creating a new circle of spoiled raiders that never sweated for anything. leading to overpowered looting in 5mans to series of boe epics for money, to epic gear with 5man tokens, to people that were showing off their ilevel without having to actually kill anything in any raid. Purple lost its uniqueness, and in sequence gave people a new attittude about raiding not being at all that important or not deserve to wipe for since u can get similar gear elsewhere, making it harder to recruit more serious raiders, and even when u managed to making it terrible for the RLer to manage to get rid of the pug attittude of those people, so they can function within a team.

Going back in time i miss the vanilla and TBC content, the fact that people were not sitting all day in a capital city mumbling in trade but you had billions things to do and areas to visit, you knew every corner of the map and even when u had Ragnaros or DW on farm u were still bothering with the blue gear of UBRS or DM, the fact that people were farming their mats for raiding resistance pots, resistance gear and we knew not what a bot means. Most of all the fact that we faced a new boss and we had not seen 2635 videos the first day of its release on how to kill it, we should find out ourselves cause none had kill it on PTR and wasnt easy enough to wake up on a patch day and 10 guild to have already scored on it. Raiders were more patient back then they were not constantly running to reach something that i ve still havent understood what it is. Nowadays none stands back on a first kill to get a SS unless it is the last boss on hc back then even Garr was an achievent mainly because u couldnt pug it you had to be a part of a community strong enough to manage a kill. Back then guilds were needed nowadays 10mans 25mans they r just on a side role of the game.

On the other hand i think of 40man raids back then and i get a shiver, the game has changed and to a great extent has changed to the better. But it will never be the same because the people playing it now are used to different things and will be like that cause easier things bring more people in, so we either accept it and keep going or we quit. Guilds will never be the same cause raiders will never be the same again, those playing for too long, trying to keep their guild alive just for the heck of it cause they r with them for way long are the ones whinning including myself but prolly the solution is to accept that we have finished our circle in wow and accept that 10mans is the new way to go for those that wanna keep going.

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