Is my shadow priest's DPS high enough?

Shadow priests are a DPS spec, and as such, it's only natural for us to judge our self-worth by checking our spot on the damage meters. But what kind of DPS should shadow priests be putting out? Is 10K enough? 20K? 40K?
From time to time, I get emails from readers concerned about their performance in heroics, raids, and the like. This week, I'd like to share one of these emails and then give a public response. Why? Because, like it or not, we've all wondered whether or not our performance is good enough.
*Names may have been changed to protect anonymity.My fiance and I play wow as shadow priests. Every now and then, I get her into a dungeon. Then the problems start. Every single time we have to pick up group, with as many guildies as we can, outsiders put down her DPS. Then it takes another month to get her to try again. Our guild leader tells us that 10K is an OK amount of DPS in the HoT dungeons. If that was the case, why do we keep getting made fun of? We are the only Shadow Priests in the guild. And, it is impossible to get help from the big raiding guilds on our server. So, I turn to the Master of Shadow Priesting to see if we can get some help. We follow EJ's rotation ... or at least what we can understand of it. Keep DoTs up, mind blast when it is up, mind flay otherwise, unless Dot's need to be refreshed. Keep empowered orbs up. On trash that will die quickly, mind spike 3 times, then mind blast, repeat.
Signed,
Tyler Is a Stupid Jerk and No One Likes Him*
Is 10,000 DPS too low for a heroic?
First of all, the biggest problem here isn't with your fiancée, it's with the jerks that are belittling her. That's the most important takeaway. People are literally the worst. Literally.
That said, yes, Tyler Is a Stupid Jerk and No One Likes Him -- 10,000 DPS is somewhat low for an Hour of Twilight heroic. But here's the thing: It's OK to do low DPS in a heroic, especially if your gear isn't perfect. That's exactly what heroics are there for, improving your gear and catching up to the rest of the class. And based on the armory link you gave me at the end of your email, she definitely has some room to improve in terms of gear. Her toon is holding a i346 staff and is without benefit of a single tier bonus. There's going to be a huge DPS disparity between someone with an i346 staff and someone with totally up-to-date gear from the Dragon Soul raid, tier included.
Now, Tyler Is a Stupid Jerk and No One Likes Him, I'll be the first person to warn you that gear isn't everything. With your average 5-man heroic participant pulling between 15,000 and 30,000 DPS, you may find that new gear only gets you up to the low end of the range. But that's OK too. The best way to become a better shadow priest is to practice.
You and your fiancée already have a solid grasp on the shadow priesting basics. Your email describes the shadow priest priority rather well: prioritize DoTs, Mind Blast when you can, use Shadow Word: Death when the target is under 25%, and fill in the blanks with Mind Flay. Don't forget to use your Shadowfiend when it's on cooldown and Dark Archangel, too. Deceptively easy, right?
Anyone who's been shadow priesting for a solid length of time will tell you it takes a lot of time to get a solid shadow priesting rhythm down. My DPS was embarrassingly poor the first time I ran a heroic, and it took months of raiding before I showed up in the top half of the DPS charts. Your fiancée will improve with time, too, so long as she doesn't let the jerkstores of the world get her down.
P.S. If you really want to cut off the bad mojo at the pass, I'd advise she start each heroic she's in with strangers by saying something along the lines of this: "Apologies in advance if my DPS is a little low, but I'm still gearing up this toon up." Maybe even throw in a little smiley face in there, too. She shouldn't have to do this, but I've found similar lines go a long way in disarming trolls.
Thanks for writing, Tyler Is a Stupid Jerk and No One Likes Him.
What kind of DPS should a shadow priest be expected do?
As I said, there should be a significant degree of leniency given to any shadow priest running heroics to gear up. The heroics that launched with Cataclysm are now the refuge of the just-turned-85 crowd, and as such, DPS numbers there tend to be low. And like we've said, that's OK. Once you start moving into endgame content, though, there are some certain numbers shadow priests should strive to hit.
Based on experience, most Raid Finder fights will have widely varying DPS numbers. For a stand-and-DPS type fight like Ultraxion, it's not unusual for the weakest DPS member to pull 12,000 to 14,000, while the best performer is up closer to 35,000. My moderately geared shadow priest was able to pull 28.5K there last night; take from that what you will.
Of course, different fights have different DPS ranges. The Madness of Deathwing fight, for instance, has a number of buffs available that can easily push a shadow priest's DPS up over 50,000. A fight with less action such as Spine of Deathwing, meanwhile, will see low numbers pretty much across the board. In my Spine attempt last night, the highest performing DPS only turned in 24.1K, and a handful of players were in the single digits.
Every player is different, and some folks may struggle to top the charts no matter how hard they try. And as someone who's been through a lot of raids, that's OK. Truth is, it's far more important in the Raid Finder for a shadow priest to DPS the right target than it is to do so with top-notch numbers.
Filed under: Priest, (Priest) Spiritual Guidance






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
Jestin Feb 1st 2012 7:16PM
"...and a handful of players were in the single digits."
Single digits (like 7 DPS) or single k's of digits (like 7,000).
If they only got 7 DPS, I would probably raise an eyebrow. That pretty much means you were afk the whole fight.
Brett Porter Feb 1st 2012 7:19PM
I'm assuming he meant sub-10k DPS. I know what they say about assuming, but there you go. :)
Dahk Feb 2nd 2012 6:51AM
That would be 7 MEGA damage!
Rollo Feb 2nd 2012 9:50AM
SDML - Single digit, multiple letters!
Brett Porter Feb 1st 2012 7:18PM
Very well written as always, Fox!
And to Tyler Is a Stupid Jerk and No One Likes Him - Fox is absolutely right, jerks will be jerks. Hopefully that won't keep your wife too down; it's nice to have at least one friendly face in there.
See if you're able to run with an all guild group? Not only is the bonus of having all friendly faces, but you get guild xp (if under level 25) plus gold when you do guild-ish runs together! Win-win-win!
Spriesting isn't always easy. I don't think it's the hardest rotation out there, but certainly not even close to the easiest rotation. Keep it up, practice makes perfect!
ahsanali Feb 1st 2012 7:19PM
Fox it would be great if you could put up a damage breakdown from some lfr bosses. It would be interesting to see how much damage the different spells do as a percentage of total damage.
joshmartinmont Feb 1st 2012 9:27PM
Ahsanali, the easiest way to find this info would be to go to Worldoflogs.com and take a look at some logs from either your server, and see what kinds of numbers not only are the shadow priests doing, you can also see what kinds of percentages and damage numbers the individual spells are doing.
Erebos Feb 1st 2012 7:30PM
This is why my priest is holy/disc, and why I play healers. I've tried to DPS before, I have a warlock at 85, but I just don't do well. Maybe I would with a lot of practice and if I had time to actually get geared, but then maybe not.
At least as disc any Atonement DPS I put out is just gravy...
Pyromelter Feb 1st 2012 7:57PM
all three specs for Warlocks and shadow priests are among the most complicated dps specs in the game. You might find DPS'ing a little easier on a rogue, mage, warrior, or paladin, if you ever wanted to dip your toes back into the dps game.
Harvoc Feb 1st 2012 8:04PM
That may be true but not for Subtlety rogues. Their rotation is the hardest of the rogue specs and is along the lines of a Feral's rotation.
Erebos Feb 1st 2012 8:09PM
I am leveling a mage at the moment, actually. She's around 66 or so right now, so I've got some time. And as far as complexity, really the only one I feel even remotely comfortable with is affliction. I've played destro some, and it's kinda fun, but I usually fall back to affliction. At the moment I'm not even sure which warlock spec is the "best". I've heard all of them mentioned, but I've also heard warlocks aren't exactly the top of the pack right now anyway.
I'm sure practice would help at least some, and having a UI setup specifically for DPS (right now it's for healing and I can turn on some DPS-y features for tracking DoTs and whatnot).
Harvoc Feb 1st 2012 9:14PM
I think you mean a warlock instead of a mage. As for which spec is the "best", according to DPS Bot, all three specs do better than the other two in Dragon Soul with Demonology being the overall best in 10 man and Affliction and Destruction being about the same in 25 man.
Harvoc Feb 1st 2012 9:15PM
What I tried to say was that each spec has at least one fight in Dragon Soul where they do better than the other two, no matter what the difficulty or size is.
Erebos Feb 1st 2012 11:42PM
Sorry, I wasn't paying attention I guess... What I meant was that I -am- leveling a mage, that was right, but I meant to agree that priests and warlocks are complex, but I'm most comfortable with affliction.
Kuro Feb 1st 2012 7:36PM
So.. My priest is a healer. I put bubbles on things and generally don't care about DPS unless the group isn't meeting an enrage timer.
But.... there are time when I'm called to go DPS and it's not even the fun DPS that happens when you attonement heal. Like one day we had troubles with Alysrazor flyers in a pug. Mage goes up... mage goes splat. Mage gets rez'd, mage goes up, mage goes splat. We look at the hunter... and he's quakin' in his boots in the corner complaining about not being able to fly and his poor pet not being able to dps.
So, I ninja change specs on attempt 3-ish, load up the ole facemelter and match the button to the picture it says and do average ho-hum dps in with my mastery-stacked gear, 20-something percent hit, and that wonderful set bonus that gives even more mana-regen when I PoM. We go up, mage goes splat, I pretend to be Sonic the Hedgehog and birdbrainboss dies a slow slow death.
http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/facemelter
Yes, I know people hate these rotation addons for various reasons, but they're good for off-spec'ers and newbies to use as training wheels.
Gendou Feb 1st 2012 7:46PM
Damn it, I just posted about Facemelter, and my post got lost in the ether. XD
Gendou Feb 1st 2012 7:44PM
If you're still trying to find your Shadow Priest rhythm, you might consider trying Facemelter Reloaded: http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/facemelter
It helps immensely with learning the priority system by letting you know stuff like, "Okay, go ahead and start casting Vampiric Touch now so it won't drop off," or "Mana is low, go ahead and Shadow Word: Death if it's safe."
I've been raiding as a Shadow Priest since Vanilla (yes, I was a raiding Shadow Priest before Burning Crusade made it cool... or viable), and I still find tools like Facemelter to be useful. Shadow Priesting is simple to learn but difficult to master because we don't have set rotation. The priority system can be downright painful to learn if you're used to other DPS classes.
Pyromelter Feb 1st 2012 8:00PM
I would argue that shadow priesting is one of the specs in the game that is difficult to learn as well as difficult to master. And I like your suggestion as well as the one above on facemelter, my post below recommends that the player set up addons. As I'm not a shadow priest, I wouldn't know specific addons (but I know what it means to play a complicated dps class), so I'm glad you guys recommended what looks to be a good one.
Pyromelter Feb 1st 2012 7:53PM
Question and possible suggestion:
Is the letter writer and the fiancee running an addon to track dots and cooldowns, like ForteXorcist?
Shadow priests are one of the most complex classes to play in terms of DPS priority rotations. Some classes are in the "easy to learn, hard to master" category, like ret paladins, assassination rogues, arms warriors. Some are easy to learn, relatively easy to master, like arcane mages and fury warriors.
Then there are the ZOMGWTFBBQWHOTHEHELLTHOUGHTOFTHISBARBARICROTATION classes. You, my dear letter-writer, are playing one such class. To do competitive DPS, you absolutely MUST have addons to track your DoT's, buffs, AND cooldowns. Shadow Priest DPS is very deep, rich, engaging, and difficult to play well. You have to want to specially customize your UI, to work on your rotation on dummies, to work to reach those haste plateaus.
If you (or your fiancee) are not the kind of person to sit there and do some of that heavy lifting, then maybe Shadow Priest DPS is not for you. It's certainly not for everyone, there is a reason there are so few of them out there - it's friggin hard to play well. And when you can lol2buttonspam an arcane mage to outdps a shadow priest in equivalent gear, well, you can see why mages are so popular.
If you are willing to do that heavy lifting, then I would say stick with it, persist, keep pushing, you'll get there eventually. But I would ask that you be honest with yourself, a lot of people play wow as a diversion, they don't find it fun working on their UI and hitting a dummy, tweaking your rotation and how you track everything for max dps. If your fiancee is in that casual category, I would seriously consider switching to another class. Mages, for example, might be much more simple than shadow priests, but they are still hella fun.
Chetti Feb 1st 2012 9:50PM
I use dot tracker to track dots, and it has helped a lot.
I have to agree, that once you really get comfortable in your shadow suit, with all of the dots and cooldowns and stuff that spriests are a lot of fun to play!