Is my shadow priest's DPS high enough?

Shadow priests are a DPS spec, and as such, it's only natural for us to judge our self-worth by checking our spot on the damage meters. But what kind of DPS should shadow priests be putting out? Is 10K enough? 20K? 40K?
From time to time, I get emails from readers concerned about their performance in heroics, raids, and the like. This week, I'd like to share one of these emails and then give a public response. Why? Because, like it or not, we've all wondered whether or not our performance is good enough.
*Names may have been changed to protect anonymity.My fiance and I play wow as shadow priests. Every now and then, I get her into a dungeon. Then the problems start. Every single time we have to pick up group, with as many guildies as we can, outsiders put down her DPS. Then it takes another month to get her to try again. Our guild leader tells us that 10K is an OK amount of DPS in the HoT dungeons. If that was the case, why do we keep getting made fun of? We are the only Shadow Priests in the guild. And, it is impossible to get help from the big raiding guilds on our server. So, I turn to the Master of Shadow Priesting to see if we can get some help. We follow EJ's rotation ... or at least what we can understand of it. Keep DoTs up, mind blast when it is up, mind flay otherwise, unless Dot's need to be refreshed. Keep empowered orbs up. On trash that will die quickly, mind spike 3 times, then mind blast, repeat.
Signed,
Tyler Is a Stupid Jerk and No One Likes Him*
Is 10,000 DPS too low for a heroic?
First of all, the biggest problem here isn't with your fiancée, it's with the jerks that are belittling her. That's the most important takeaway. People are literally the worst. Literally.
That said, yes, Tyler Is a Stupid Jerk and No One Likes Him -- 10,000 DPS is somewhat low for an Hour of Twilight heroic. But here's the thing: It's OK to do low DPS in a heroic, especially if your gear isn't perfect. That's exactly what heroics are there for, improving your gear and catching up to the rest of the class. And based on the armory link you gave me at the end of your email, she definitely has some room to improve in terms of gear. Her toon is holding a i346 staff and is without benefit of a single tier bonus. There's going to be a huge DPS disparity between someone with an i346 staff and someone with totally up-to-date gear from the Dragon Soul raid, tier included.
Now, Tyler Is a Stupid Jerk and No One Likes Him, I'll be the first person to warn you that gear isn't everything. With your average 5-man heroic participant pulling between 15,000 and 30,000 DPS, you may find that new gear only gets you up to the low end of the range. But that's OK too. The best way to become a better shadow priest is to practice.
You and your fiancée already have a solid grasp on the shadow priesting basics. Your email describes the shadow priest priority rather well: prioritize DoTs, Mind Blast when you can, use Shadow Word: Death when the target is under 25%, and fill in the blanks with Mind Flay. Don't forget to use your Shadowfiend when it's on cooldown and Dark Archangel, too. Deceptively easy, right?
Anyone who's been shadow priesting for a solid length of time will tell you it takes a lot of time to get a solid shadow priesting rhythm down. My DPS was embarrassingly poor the first time I ran a heroic, and it took months of raiding before I showed up in the top half of the DPS charts. Your fiancée will improve with time, too, so long as she doesn't let the jerkstores of the world get her down.
P.S. If you really want to cut off the bad mojo at the pass, I'd advise she start each heroic she's in with strangers by saying something along the lines of this: "Apologies in advance if my DPS is a little low, but I'm still gearing up this toon up." Maybe even throw in a little smiley face in there, too. She shouldn't have to do this, but I've found similar lines go a long way in disarming trolls.
Thanks for writing, Tyler Is a Stupid Jerk and No One Likes Him.
What kind of DPS should a shadow priest be expected do?
As I said, there should be a significant degree of leniency given to any shadow priest running heroics to gear up. The heroics that launched with Cataclysm are now the refuge of the just-turned-85 crowd, and as such, DPS numbers there tend to be low. And like we've said, that's OK. Once you start moving into endgame content, though, there are some certain numbers shadow priests should strive to hit.
Based on experience, most Raid Finder fights will have widely varying DPS numbers. For a stand-and-DPS type fight like Ultraxion, it's not unusual for the weakest DPS member to pull 12,000 to 14,000, while the best performer is up closer to 35,000. My moderately geared shadow priest was able to pull 28.5K there last night; take from that what you will.
Of course, different fights have different DPS ranges. The Madness of Deathwing fight, for instance, has a number of buffs available that can easily push a shadow priest's DPS up over 50,000. A fight with less action such as Spine of Deathwing, meanwhile, will see low numbers pretty much across the board. In my Spine attempt last night, the highest performing DPS only turned in 24.1K, and a handful of players were in the single digits.
Every player is different, and some folks may struggle to top the charts no matter how hard they try. And as someone who's been through a lot of raids, that's OK. Truth is, it's far more important in the Raid Finder for a shadow priest to DPS the right target than it is to do so with top-notch numbers.
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Reader Comments (Page 3 of 3)
albanesp Feb 2nd 2012 9:58AM
I suggest you go to www.simulationcraft.org and download SimCraft and use it.
That way you will know exactly how much damage her spec can produce under optimal conditions.
If you are in the ballpark of that number, just improve her gear.
If she is nowhere near that number, go hit the practice dummies until it is.
Chanrith Feb 9th 2012 10:38AM
I'm fairly new to end-game content for any expansion (started playing with BC, didn't max a toon till Cata) and when I started running 4.1-4.2 heroics, I was averaging about 4-6k with iLVLs under 340.
The hardest part of fixing my DPS was finding someone that could tell me what I was doing wrong:
I thought I had a good rotation. (I didn't.)
I knew my gear was a little weak (It was a lot worse than I thought, however.), but I couldn't stay in a dungeon long enough to get anything decent. (With an iLVL 377, my DPS is up to 15k.)
The biggest problem I had (and am still trying to fix) are gems and enchants. Even if it's a 353 or 378 that you want to replace with raid gear, gems and enchants are going to make a drastic difference.
I know I have a long way to go still, and running HoT heroics and LFR pugs are helping me improve my rotation and get better gear to boot. (Just got Jaina's Staff last night.) Short story long, just keep working on it. There are always improvements to be made. Being a good shadow priest takes a lot of learning and a lot of polish.
Chanrith - REHAB - Ravenholdt
Marathal Feb 2nd 2012 12:59PM
If I could add a couple of things.
First off, If she is only running heroic dungeons make sure she is not at 17% spell hit. Unless you are raiding there is no need and thats a lot of Haste you could be leaving unused.
Take a trip over to Shadowpriest.com, give Kilee's guide to shadowpriesting a good read. There is a lot of good information there, also I might add the guide will be getting a big update sometime soon due to changes with having the 4pc T13 and other things that just make us a complex but fun class to play.
If you want, post a link to her armory in the Gear Check Me section. Someone there will more than likely take a look and make some recomendations.
I personally use Facemelter. But, I have gone into the set up and changed the priorities for the spells giving MB the #1 position all the way down to our normal buffs as last.
Great article Fox. The "One" thing that always makes me reroll a Shadowpriest is not so much the class, that's a given that we are full of win, its the Shadowpriest community. No other class has what we have.
taylor_jarvis Feb 16th 2012 8:11PM
Agreed, the community for SPRIEST is unmatched!
Marathal Feb 2nd 2012 1:02PM
If you can get to within 10% of a patchwerk fight then you are close to your potential.
HoT dungeons are a bit wonky since a lot of trash dies faster than we can get DoT's up, and even bosses drop pretty quick if you have some over powered DPS along.
Havok Feb 16th 2012 8:07PM
Get S h a d o w t i m e r s it's an amazing addon. Tracks Vampiric touch, devouring plague, shadow word: pain, and flashes red and displays the time left on the damage over time spell. I raid on my priest 8/8 DS.
Check my armory if you need help.
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/shattered-hand/Havokpriest/simple