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2-02-2012 @ 7:18PM
I had a similar experience in my first heroic Hour of Twilight 5 man earlier today.My druid is a bear tank and he just hit 353 by picking up the T12 chestpiece, thus now giving him a 2p bonus. I queued with a friend, as I was a little worried about going by myself.We got End Time (of course, since my first one in the new 5s) and proceeded to kill Sylvanas then Baine. It wasn't until after the two trash packs in the final section with Murozond that the healer, who I guess hadn't looked at me at all this entire time? Anyways, he mentioned something along the lines of "lol my pally tank has more hp unbuffed than you do now!"So all I did was ":)" and went a long with my business of 1 shotting Murozond with the group. My frustration is, what the hell was the point of saying that? Do people really expect only high end raiders with iLevel 400 to be running the dungeons? We never wiped, and I never lost aggro. True, my gear may be at the lower end of the dungeon, but that's why we're running it, right?My friend said I did well, and I felt pretty good about the run, but that really nagged on me.TL;DR: Say something nice, or nothing at all.
2-02-2012 @ 7:32PM
You could take it as a compliment too - that you were doing so well that he was surprised to see how entry level your gear was. :)Nothing really offensive about what he said, I think you read more into it than he meant.
2-02-2012 @ 7:46PM
Whenever I see people making snide comments about tank HP, I calmly point out that secondary stats have far more value than straight stamina these days. Avoidance and mitigation are way more important than merely having the health to soak up repeated hits (and valuable healer mana). Knowing how to play is a lot more valuable than simply having a high ilvl.
2-02-2012 @ 9:41PM
Sometimes these things can go both ways. I remember healing a run of hour of twilight, halfway through the tank says to me "I had some doubts about you, but you're healing this fine". I presume its because i was using am ilvl 318 helm (and still am; curse the world for not dropping a better hat). Well, i got really defensive, and started laying out all these explanations about why there was no need to worry (my average is 371! Everything else is epic! I've run this a million times! I have all four healing classes at 85!). He just told me to relax, that he was just saying I was doing a good job. Tldr version, sometimes people overreact to criticism, and that can make these situations worse.
2-02-2012 @ 9:51PM
Amen! I avoided using i378 dps prices and stuck with a 316 belt and a couple of green 333s to maximize avoidance (I averaged like 359) and got yelled at by a healer who wasn't having mana issues in the least for not having copious amounts of stamina. When I explained I was using avoidance gear instead of dps gear in those slots, I got vote kicked. The run was fine up till that point. It turned me off to tanking for weeks.
2-02-2012 @ 11:07PM
Seems like some people just need something to bitch about. If all is going well, keep your mouth shut and finish it.Otherwise, you get /ignore. That means you, too, Mr. Recount Poster.
Just to share stories:My badly-geared rogue and my husband's okay-geared warrior were in a Well of Eternity group. I had just BARELY qualified for those heroics (without cheating, aka PVP gear) so I knew my damage was probably sub par. I figured my husband's warrior was probably doing okay. Anyway, we were doing fine. No wipes, everything dying, we kill the second boss and suddenly there's a vote kick for my husband's warrior with the line "crap dps" for the reason. I said no, of course, but was outvoted.I proceeded to ask them why they kicked my husband (though I didn't tell them it was my husband) and the entire rest of the instance was us arguing about why they should or shouldn't have kicked someone who was doing a good job. At one point, one of the guys even said "Yeah, should have kicked you instead" which sort of defeated the point anyway.I mean, c'mon people! EVERYTHING DIED AND WE DIDN'T WIPE. What's the point of kicking someone? GEEBUS.Also, what's worse is voting 'yes' just to go along with the group and not caring if there's really a good reason to kick someone.
2-03-2012 @ 12:07PM
Funny! Just today I had a similar experience on my warlock in End Time; I had actually accidentally queued for it (I had an epic drop from ZG in my bags when I queued), so I was around 350 ilevel. I get a group that starts by being douchey to begin with ("Pull now or I leave")... so we get to Sylvanas... and in the first 5 seconds the feral dps dies to purple fire. We continue the fight, but the dps wasn't enough to kill the closing circle mobs (never seen this happen before on my other characters, so I don't know if its ONLY my fault). Of course, I start getting abuse as I was doing around 10k (compared to their 15k). Admittedly low, but hey, I didn't fail on easy mechanics.So meh. I got rid of that pesky purple and am now back to normal Cata heroics :P With roles reversed I had a hunter in my rogue's group doing 5k dps in Hour of Twilight, but the group quickly realised that he needed advice more than a kick so we carried him through. No wipes, no problem, and he actually got some gear in the end :).
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