Five myths about making gold

Gold making is one of those games you can play without much cooperative interaction with other players. If I hadn't been set straight about how to raid by cooperative guildies when I started, I'd still be as bad as I was when I started, minus any progress I'd have made myself. This type of environment is a breeding ground for less-than-optimal gold making strategies, so here are five myths about gold making that continue to require banishment.
1. Mats are free if you don't pay gold for them. It doesn't matter whether you picked up a gem from a Satchel of Exotic Mystery, farmed a stack of herbs, procced a bonus somehow, or mugged someone. If you figure your cost on the mats for whatever you're selling as what you actually paid for it, you're doing it wrong. The value of crafting mats is what you could sell them for.
The problem here is that people tend to assume that what they paid for something -- its cost -- is what they should use to calculate what they paid to make something. This could be a perfectly fine way to do business, except that farmed, swindled, traded, or procced mats are not usually something you have significant supply of. Unless you can produce "free" mats as often as you want, you should count the profit between what you really paid and what the mats are worth as soon as you have them in your possession. Then decide whether to craft or sell based on whether the crafted items can be sold profitably.
2. The cost of mats is absolute. If you prospect a bunch of ore and get a bunch of gems, are they worth what you paid for the ore or what you could sell them for? What if you can cut them first? Red gems sell for a lot more than all the other colors. If you are trying to decide which gems to cut and sell on the Auction House, the decision of what value to assign the raws is going to play a large part in how much money you make.
Unlike the earlier example where you have a limited quantity of mats available for much less than market price, you can buy as much ore as you want, within reason. There is no right answer to this question, but it's possible to avoid some common pitfalls.
- Unless you are literally deleting things instead of selling them, don't assign all the value of what you're making to one mat. Even if all you want is Blackfallow Inks or Inferno Rubies, the other gems and ink will have some value, as long as you can sell them.
- Since it takes time to turn raw herbs and ore into ink and uncut gems, don't simply assign the value of these inks and gems as what you paid for the ore. Add a bit at this phase to represent the time cost of processing.
Remember that in order to avoid getting inundated by copious amounts of less desirable items that are produced as a byproduct of processing for what you really want, you might need to lower your value on these in order to sell more.
3. Haunting the Auction House is the best way to compete. Haunting (or camping, or stalking) is when someone stands in the AH for hours on end and as soon as a competitor undercuts them, they relist a cheaper auction, usually by very little. This practice is the lowest form of auctioneering and shouldn't be considered the mark of a pro. People who rely on haunting are usually making less money than they would selling valor bracers and always making less money than they could by prioritizing their time better.
The determining factor in how much you sell on a given night is going to be the number of active, competitive auctions you have. Being undercut forces you to split the demand with your competitors, but unless demand isn't strong enough to push through the competitors' stock and make it back up to yours, you'll make a sale.
The most effective thing you can do with half an hour between DPS queues is to break into another market. Diversify and compete with more people for more markets instead of focusing down on a single one. After posting all my blacksmithing PvP gear, I know I'm being stalked and will be immediately undercut. Instead of waiting for that to happen and relisting all my stock, I'm busy making tailoring PvP gear. Or gems, or enchants, or leatherworking enchants. At the end of night, I've listed five times the number of auctions, and while I'm more likely to see them expire unsold, at least I'm not spending time (and listing fees) on cancelling and relisting the same small set of goods. I'll pull in many times the profit per hour as a camping competitor.
Instead of letting my competitor turn the game into a game of chicken, where we're competing to see who can stare at a monitor for longer, I force them to sell for less by undercutting heavily and posting a lot of stock. We can now compete on efficiency, and whoever can make sellable goods for the least money and time will make the most profit.
4. You don't need addons to be competitive. You do need addons to compete if you're playing the gold making game. Unlike raiding or PvP, where the built-in tools are at least basically functional, the default in-game UI for the Auction House (and some would argue, professions) is unusable. The mobile (paid upgrade) AH has some of the issues addressed, but you can't run a serious business there on 300 transactions per day.
5. You need very specific addons to be competitive. If you're interested and able to learn Trade Skill Master, of course I'd recommend it. It's hands down the best gold making addon made for the game. There's more than one way to scale a murloc, though. Auctionator makes the AH work the way it should in the default UI (and in the mobile AH, although Auctionator doesn't have as many bugs). There are also a variety of murlocs to skin, and Fox did a very nice writeup of several of them.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
vegetto375 Feb 3rd 2012 9:16AM
I don't really play the AH but I find this kind of articles to make me want to try it.
Do you have any tips for those of us who don't play the AH but do post X amount of Y in it from time to time?
How do you value the worth of an item when there is not another one in the AH for you to compare it to and you are not an AH player?
Helston Feb 3rd 2012 9:31AM
Try auction house spy (not sure of the URL) or underminejournal.com. Alternatively type "? [link]" where [link] is you linking the item into your guild chat. Someone with auctioneer will automatically whisper you about the market price.
Artificial Feb 3rd 2012 10:06AM
http://theunderminejournal.com
If you aren't using this site, "ur doin it rong" :p
slim1256 Feb 3rd 2012 10:26AM
@ Artificial:
I'm so torn about recommending The UMJ. On the one hand... I really don't want people using it, since I want to keep the advantages it gives me to myself.
On the other hand - it's a pretty freaking amazing resource, and I don't have it in me to lie or intentionally mislead. :)
Tauren Fan Feb 3rd 2012 10:39AM
Helston beat me to it, but checking those sites (I prefer Undermine Journal) will give you an idea if it's been listed recently. You can even try asking in Trade, too, as there actually are helpful people out there, but just be prepared to sift through various obnoxious responses to see if you were lucky enough to receive an honest one.
It really depends on what you're trying to sell. If it's gear, try to see what items of comparable level are listed at. For crafted goods, I've heard of people using a round number of 2x the price of mats and listing one item to see if it moves. If it sells quickly, there's a good chance you could list another one even higher. If the deposit isn't high, shoot for the moon. You never know what someone will pay for some oddball item, especially if it happens to be needed for a recipe while leveling a profession (Essence of Undeath springs to mind, but for the life of me I can't even remember which profession it was for now!).
Just take it slow at first and don't sell stuff for prices you're not comfortable with just for the sake of moving inventory. If the price of something seems way too low, it probably is and someone is emptying their bank (or got hacked...). Don't rush in and buy it all up if you're unsure (or have ethical qualms about benefitting from potentially hacked accounts or botters), but wait a few days and see if it was just a fluke before peddling your own wares. Even the free version of the remote AH app lets you search prices pretty easily to get an idea of the ebb and flow of a given market.
Azawa Feb 3rd 2012 9:28AM
I tend to desagree on #3 : what if there are AH campers for all the professions your have ? I have acess to JC / enchant / glyphs and all those markets have differents players that sit the whole day (and I really mean it) in front of the ah only undercutting. Those guys never run instance or raid, they just undercut prices from 8pm to 1am.
They use TSM as I do and I'm kinda stuck now, I have no solution since I can't beat them in any way. I only have a little window of 5/10min to sell my stuff before it gets undecut.
I'm also on a very high population EU server so I guess it's not case on other less-populated realms.
Smashbolt Feb 3rd 2012 9:51AM
Are those campers selling and undercutting EVERYTHING that can be profitable with any profession? Sure, you'll find campers for cut Inferno Rubies, but how about cut Scarlet Rubies and Nightmare Tears? Enchants using Wrath mats? There are markets out there that aren't camped so aggressively; you just have to find them.
Cambro Feb 3rd 2012 10:03AM
There was a recent article about this. Your competitor doesn't have an endless supply. If you have deep pockets, you could keep buying his stuff and not list it. That would be an attempt to control the market, and it's difficult and expensive, but it could work against him...until he restocks. Or, you could undercut deeply at a razor-thin margin to yourself, which gives him the choice to buy your stuff or undercut you even lower. If you keep doing this to him, he may determine it's not good business for him to stay in that market and move on. Your third option is to bark your items in Trade, which is not fun, but at least in this situation could be more profitable.
Artificial Feb 3rd 2012 10:15AM
"I only have a little window of 5/10min to sell my stuff before it gets undecut."
So? Being undercut does not mean you don't sell it. What it means is you don't sell it the very next time someone buys that item. Are you in such a hurry to sell something that you're willing to cut down your profits? If so, sure, haunt, cancel, relist more cheaply. On the other hand, if you want to make more money, DON'T! Wait for your competitor's item to sell at the cheaper price, then your item will sell next, and for a higher price than it would have if you haunted the AH. Sure, you won't move items as quickly this way, but you'll spend A LOT less time doing it, and hopefully using that time to make more money doing something else much more productive. In short, sure, you're moving the one product more quickly haunting the AH, but you're dramatically reducing your gold intake per day wasting time doing it.
CodeMunki Feb 3rd 2012 10:20AM
I run into this situation on my server, too. I have access to JC, Enchanting, Alchemy, Inscription, and Leatherworking. All of the markets except JC and Enchanting mats seem to be saturated. Sticking to those, I can usually make about 1-2k gold a day with about 15 minutes time invested. The market won't sustain much more in terms of volume.
I'll sometimes dabble in high end enchants and leather, but that is where I run into people haunting the market. They are also low enough volume that I can't win. I just save the items until prices go up and re-list them then. When I'm feeling antagonistic, I'll undercut down to almost cost just to drive prices down and get the haunters to give up. It's a game of chicken that I lose more often than not.
Undermine Journal has a heat map that shows the days and times that items have been more likely to sell. Timing your auctions around that can help.
Amanda A. Feb 3rd 2012 12:32PM
One of the things I do on heavily camped markets (for example, a suspected bot has been camping glyphs on my server for months) is set my bid price to much, much lower than my buyout (but-- in the glyph market-- still high enough to make some profit, although not compensating for the research investment.) Then I post my auctions at a fair price and walk away.
Most people will have their bid close to or equal to their buyout, and the default AH UI sorts by bid price. However, most buyers will choose to buyout instead of bidding and waiting and won't care that Botter is selling for 2c less. The end result is that I can post my glyphs for 48 hours, come back in 2 days, and still sell a decent chunk [1] of them, with only 3-5 buyouts per cycle. While Botter undercuts my buyout within the hour-- and usually within 10 minutes-- the tools she uses aren't smart enough to see that I'm undercutting her bid price.
[1]-- And by a decent chunk, I mean between 10 and 20%. This is good money, though; glyphs have a low posting fee and high profit margin.
JattTheRogue Feb 3rd 2012 4:42PM
"Wait for your competitor's item to sell at the cheaper price, then your item will sell next, and for a higher price than it would have if you haunted the AH."
I'm sorry, but in heavily camped markets this is not the case at all. If you wait for the competitor's item to sell, by the time it does, there will be another three listed cheaper than that. As a jewelcrafter, if my auction doesn't sell before it's undercut once, it doesn't sell for the time period it's listed. I see this happen virtually every day. I will log on and set up all my auctions before I go to work and check on them throughout the day through Battle.net, and while I will sell probably 15 to 30% of my stock, it all happens within the first hour or so, with the maybe one or two more sales later throughout the day and virtually none during the last 3 or 4 hours of my workday. I'm not advocating just sitting on the AH all day (I don't do that when I'm home), but I will check my auctions in between a dungeon or BG and relist those that got undercut, and I end up selling a lot more (40 to 65% of my stock or so) when I'm actively doing that than when all my auctions sit on the AH for 8 or 9 hours while I'm at work without being touched.
Pam Feb 3rd 2012 9:39AM
I thought it was only 200 transactions a day on the Remote AH..?
slim1256 Feb 3rd 2012 10:38AM
Pretty sure it is, unless it's been changed recently.
AltairAntares Feb 3rd 2012 9:47AM
I've gotten pretty frustrated with Trade Skill Master, it's very irritating to learn, I've never gotten it to work right.
Cambro Feb 3rd 2012 10:07AM
http://stormspire.net/content/
They have a very thorough tutorial of setting it up. It was annoying to me at first, but once I got it worked out, I love it. I still use Auctioneer for posting items and tracking history, but Tradeskill Master is amazing for posting hundreds of auctions at once, as well as canceling auctions. It does have a snatch list feature, but I haven't gotten into that yet.
Shinae Feb 3rd 2012 3:46PM
I agree, TSM is frustrating to learn, but I may give it a chance now, because of the following:
The addon recently had a big overhaul, so Faid made a video series to teach both new and current users how to use it.
http://www.youtube.com/user/Faidtastic
Lars Petersson Feb 3rd 2012 9:48AM
I find that the Mobile AH Android app is really good for getting specific deals.
You don't want to scan too mane good, but I check for Whiptail, Embersilk Cloth and Obsidium Ore several times a day on it, and it is wonderfully easy to buy huge stock piles of them.
TSM & Auctionator may be good, but I miss Auctioneer which I felt was better. That doesn't work for me any more though :-/
Mycroft Feb 3rd 2012 10:13AM
Auctioneer still works perfectly fine for me, and I use it daily! There was a hiccup at 4.3 launch, and it didn't work right for me for nearly a month, but finally got a smooth version out and I'm back in business. I myself could never figure out Auctionator for mass selling, Auctioneer's batch posting works so well for the boatloads of fire-and-forget auctions I have going, where I don't even need to pay attention to prices.
I'd advise going directly to http://auctioneeraddon.com/ and not sites like curse, it appears there may be a massive delay in the time a stable release shows up.
Lars Petersson Feb 3rd 2012 9:55AM
With regards to mods, is there not something in TSM or Auctionator that has resemble the Snatch List feature from Auctioneer?
Or have I just not found it yet?