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2-03-2012 @ 9:28AM
I tend to desagree on #3 : what if there are AH campers for all the professions your have ? I have acess to JC / enchant / glyphs and all those markets have differents players that sit the whole day (and I really mean it) in front of the ah only undercutting. Those guys never run instance or raid, they just undercut prices from 8pm to 1am. They use TSM as I do and I'm kinda stuck now, I have no solution since I can't beat them in any way. I only have a little window of 5/10min to sell my stuff before it gets undecut.I'm also on a very high population EU server so I guess it's not case on other less-populated realms.
2-03-2012 @ 9:51AM
Are those campers selling and undercutting EVERYTHING that can be profitable with any profession? Sure, you'll find campers for cut Inferno Rubies, but how about cut Scarlet Rubies and Nightmare Tears? Enchants using Wrath mats? There are markets out there that aren't camped so aggressively; you just have to find them.
2-03-2012 @ 10:03AM
There was a recent article about this. Your competitor doesn't have an endless supply. If you have deep pockets, you could keep buying his stuff and not list it. That would be an attempt to control the market, and it's difficult and expensive, but it could work against him...until he restocks. Or, you could undercut deeply at a razor-thin margin to yourself, which gives him the choice to buy your stuff or undercut you even lower. If you keep doing this to him, he may determine it's not good business for him to stay in that market and move on. Your third option is to bark your items in Trade, which is not fun, but at least in this situation could be more profitable.
2-03-2012 @ 10:15AM
"I only have a little window of 5/10min to sell my stuff before it gets undecut."So? Being undercut does not mean you don't sell it. What it means is you don't sell it the very next time someone buys that item. Are you in such a hurry to sell something that you're willing to cut down your profits? If so, sure, haunt, cancel, relist more cheaply. On the other hand, if you want to make more money, DON'T! Wait for your competitor's item to sell at the cheaper price, then your item will sell next, and for a higher price than it would have if you haunted the AH. Sure, you won't move items as quickly this way, but you'll spend A LOT less time doing it, and hopefully using that time to make more money doing something else much more productive. In short, sure, you're moving the one product more quickly haunting the AH, but you're dramatically reducing your gold intake per day wasting time doing it.
2-03-2012 @ 10:20AM
I run into this situation on my server, too. I have access to JC, Enchanting, Alchemy, Inscription, and Leatherworking. All of the markets except JC and Enchanting mats seem to be saturated. Sticking to those, I can usually make about 1-2k gold a day with about 15 minutes time invested. The market won't sustain much more in terms of volume. I'll sometimes dabble in high end enchants and leather, but that is where I run into people haunting the market. They are also low enough volume that I can't win. I just save the items until prices go up and re-list them then. When I'm feeling antagonistic, I'll undercut down to almost cost just to drive prices down and get the haunters to give up. It's a game of chicken that I lose more often than not.Undermine Journal has a heat map that shows the days and times that items have been more likely to sell. Timing your auctions around that can help.
2-03-2012 @ 12:32PM
One of the things I do on heavily camped markets (for example, a suspected bot has been camping glyphs on my server for months) is set my bid price to much, much lower than my buyout (but-- in the glyph market-- still high enough to make some profit, although not compensating for the research investment.) Then I post my auctions at a fair price and walk away.Most people will have their bid close to or equal to their buyout, and the default AH UI sorts by bid price. However, most buyers will choose to buyout instead of bidding and waiting and won't care that Botter is selling for 2c less. The end result is that I can post my glyphs for 48 hours, come back in 2 days, and still sell a decent chunk  of them, with only 3-5 buyouts per cycle. While Botter undercuts my buyout within the hour-- and usually within 10 minutes-- the tools she uses aren't smart enough to see that I'm undercutting her bid price.-- And by a decent chunk, I mean between 10 and 20%. This is good money, though; glyphs have a low posting fee and high profit margin.
2-03-2012 @ 4:42PM
"Wait for your competitor's item to sell at the cheaper price, then your item will sell next, and for a higher price than it would have if you haunted the AH."I'm sorry, but in heavily camped markets this is not the case at all. If you wait for the competitor's item to sell, by the time it does, there will be another three listed cheaper than that. As a jewelcrafter, if my auction doesn't sell before it's undercut once, it doesn't sell for the time period it's listed. I see this happen virtually every day. I will log on and set up all my auctions before I go to work and check on them throughout the day through Battle.net, and while I will sell probably 15 to 30% of my stock, it all happens within the first hour or so, with the maybe one or two more sales later throughout the day and virtually none during the last 3 or 4 hours of my workday. I'm not advocating just sitting on the AH all day (I don't do that when I'm home), but I will check my auctions in between a dungeon or BG and relist those that got undercut, and I end up selling a lot more (40 to 65% of my stock or so) when I'm actively doing that than when all my auctions sit on the AH for 8 or 9 hours while I'm at work without being touched.
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