Shinae I'm with you in disagreeing with Lisa- technically he IS raiding, but it's probably not the kind of raiding he's looking for. Doing LFR with 22 other strangers is definitely not the same as being in a regular raid group with a consistent body of players, and no I'm not talking about the quality of loot that drops. It's why people who claim "LFR killed raiding" are wrong- there's an irreplacable intimacy and comraderie you can only find in the stable roster associated with successful normal and heroic raiding. In LFR your group-mates are temporary and interchangable, and the comparable lack of challenge means that you don't form as strong a bond as you would if you were struggling through adversity (note that you probably don't remember all the LFGs where the run went smoothly, but you probably remember one or two runs where you wiped on a boss a few times and then finally pushed through and were successful).

Both mamas are right in the bottom line though- if your friends don't want to join a raid group, there's little you can do to change their minds. Sorry. Hope they change their minds down the road (especially as DS gets nerfed).

I was going to say that. Completely agree that a raid group is completely different than raiding *with* friends on Raid Finder, where there's no tactics discussions and no real progress, ever. Raid Finder is great, but in the long run it's no replacement.