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2-07-2012 @ 7:31PM
WTB pandruids. I mean, they can be shammies, right? And I've always had a difficult time with races that are allowed to be shaman, but _not_ druids -- they both strive for balance with nature/the elements/Captain Planet. Heck, I've read that shaman consider the nebulously defined spirit of life to be the source of most druids' powers. And now there are druids of the flame, which, uh, isn't bargaining with/manipulation of the elements kind of the shamans' schtick? Basically, I think that if your race can be a shaman, then logistically, I don't see why your race can't be druids too, and vice versa.
2-07-2012 @ 7:48PM
Dwarven druids? Orc druids? No, let's not have those, please.
2-07-2012 @ 7:56PM
I think there's some confusing overlap, but it actually does make sense when you get down to it.Shaman: Partners with the elemental spirits. They speak to the denizens of the planes and bid them to do their calling.Druids: Intertwined with nature and the forces of Life. Soul-brothers with the spirits of the world.Druids of the Flame: A strange side effect of druidic bonding occurring in the Elemental Plane of Fire. While the plane is not a true world like Azeroth is, it still has a Life force of its own.So while both Shaman and Druids of the Flame deal with living fire (of various sorts), the Shaman are speaking to the Fire spirits and working together with them, while the Druids of the Flame are aligning themselves with the Life force of the Elemental Plane of Fire. If anything, the Druids of the Flame may be more akin to Fire Elementals than Shaman.As for Pandaren (or other Shamanistic races, and Druidism), being a Shaman is about bargaining with sentient forces. Unlike Mages, Warlocks, Paladins, and Priests who are channeling raw power, Shamans talk to the elementals and ask for what they need. Any race willing to develop a partnership with the elements (and meet their end of the bargain) can be Shamans. Druidism is much deeper, and involves aligning yourself with the Life force of the planet. In many ways it's harder, though it's also a lot less risky, as Life isn't going to get mad and turn on you.
2-07-2012 @ 8:02PM
Since druidism originated from the night elves and Pandaria has been isolated from the rest of the world for thousands of years, Pandaren druids is practically impossible from a lore standpoint. The few Pandaren that explored outside of Pandaria are too few to have effectively brought back druidism to the rest of their people and no druids that we know of have traveled to Pandaria, taught them druidism, and returned back to the rest of the world. That's why Pandaren can't be druids.
2-07-2012 @ 8:38PM
But troll druids also emerged from isolation, didn't they? I'll admit that I don't really know the troll druid lore as well as I should, but from what I understand, it was a case of parallel evolution -- one of their loa showed them how they could channel and control druidic powers, they emerged, and the other druids went, "Huh, we...totally called that happening, and by the way you're druids, not some indigenous power structure that may or may not have anything to do with Elune, so welcome to the Cenarion Circle!" Sort of like how sunwalkers emerged, totally distinct from the traditions of the Light, yet paladinish all the same. So I don't think it would have been too much of a stretch for Blizz to go, "Yeah, these pandaren are all about the yin/yang balance of Life, and they don't even need to shapeshift for bear form, so welcome your new fuzzy druid overlords."
2-08-2012 @ 5:32AM
The 'Pandaren can't be druids because nobody taught them yet' argument doesn't work for me. If that was the only reason, then why can a Tauren be a monk? If a panda can teach, then a panda can be taught. Heck, I'll teach them, the biggest obstacle for a new druid is knowing whether you need int or agi, and not to roll on cloth.
2-08-2012 @ 7:56AM
Druids are pro-Life. Of all the aspects of the world present, they work to maximise the benefits of Life.However, owing to the Night Elf-centric teachings of Cenarius, that Life almost always takes the form of Forestry, as seen specifically in Desolace, where the creatures native to the area have been clearly displaced by the Cernaion Circle's meddling.Shamanism has a bit of a wider scope, with the associated lack of finesse. The 3 areas of Shamanism are:a) the Wild. This includes the Aspect of Life the Druids revere, as well as a cruder version of the animal parts magic shared with Druids.b) the Ancestors. This is completely absent from the Druids as the Night Elves were immortal, and also bookkeepers, meaning old knowledge was rarely lost. The Tauren, Trolls, and Orcs were never shown to have used much text, prefering oral traditions.c) the Elements. Capricious creatures generally out for themselves, but have usually reached a nature balance (without outside forces).Shamans generally tend towards balancing out the above aspects (fairly easy with Ancestors, since they were usually doing the same). But The Elements are frequently at war with the Wilds, and each other. Shortly, given a natural system which has reached a point of basic equilibrium, a Shaman will leave it alone, unless there is a good reason not to. A Druid will go fiddle to maximise the Life aspect. This fiddling is good/fine in an area with a strong Life component already (like Ashenvale). It is less good in other areas, like Desolace (http://www.wowhead.com/quest=14307 in point), and was particularly catastrophic during Naralex's attempt to clean up the Barrens.
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