How to make gold when your competition is camping the AH

Making gold with heavy competition is hard. I get comments on my articles all the time about how my ideas don't work on some high-population, high-competition realm. There's an implicit (and sometimes outright stated) disclaimer that any advice you'll find here is general and may not apply to your realm.
It's time to talk about what to do when you're always being redirected back to these weasel words. If your server really is so competitive that you can't make any normal strategies work, what can you do?
How sure are you?
The first thing you need to do is determine whether you're jumping to conclusions. If you dip your toe in the market and it becomes unprofitable overnight, with no sign of decreasing activity from your competition, they may just be flapping their arms at you. As soon as your stock stops being listed, they may just revert to the profitable status quo and expect you to not notice. Seeing a bunch of undercuts and unsold auctions doesn't mean that there's no money in what you're doing; it might simply mean that you have to wait for it.
The best way to decide whether you're looking at a hyper-competitive market rather than being shooed away from a competitive one is to check the prices on AHSpy.com or the Undermine Journal. Also, try keeping your goods continuously listed for two weeks before deciding that it's too competitive to make money.
I'd bet that a large portion of the comments I get are from people who don't do this and are just assuming that since it's not immediately and obviously profitable, it's not ever going to be. Demand in this game is constantly shifting, and you're doing yourself a disservice by not giving a market a real try before writing it off.
No, this is for real
If you play someplace like Mal'Ganis or Earthen Ring, there will be some serious competition, and I believe you when you tell me how hard it is. I've heard stories of real players with a second account who will cancel and relist their inventory every 10 minutes or so, crafting constantly while playing their main in another window.
Then there are the cheaters, people who break the terms of service will eventually get banned -- but until they do, they can farm for way longer than any real player. Unfortunately, these cheaters have an enormous impact on the economy, especially on high-pop servers where they're best able to turn their illicit gold into real money. The best place to ensure that you're fighting real players is in the crafting segment of the market.
Farming is the act of making something out of nothing but time. Spend an hour, and any character with a farming skill will have a bunch of mats needed by crafters. AFK farmers are capable of producing many times the amount of stock that would be needed to satisfy the immediate demand for the crafted goods they make. And this is all added to the stock available from the real farmers.
While you will occasionally find someone cheating in the AH, it's rare. Anyone willing to invest the time and gold needed to get a character to at least level 75 and Cataclysm level crafting typically won't bot for longer than it takes them to realize that Blizzard eventually catches all of them.
Gaining a foothold in a profitable market
The normal strategy for making gold is buying mats, crafting something from them, and then selling that on the AH for more than the cost of the mats. When your competition in profitable market seemingly has the ability and willingness to undercut you almost immediately almost every time you post, though, you may feel frustrated. The money is right there; you're just not getting any of it.
The one thing that people tend to forget, though, is that it's not just about how quickly you undercut, but also about the quantity and price. You can sometimes compete effectively with a stalker by capturing sales that they miss because they're not willing to pay the listing fees for a lot of stock when they know they're just going to be cancelling it in a few minutes. Ignore their undercuts, and make sure that your stock is listed during heavy demand periods.
If this isn't enough for you, you can step it up. Hit them where it hurts: in their gold per hour. Post a large quantity of items at a much smaller margin than they're used to. If it all sells, you've hopefully made up in volume what you lost in profitability per sale, and if it doesn't sell, then you've forced your competitor to spend more time for less money. You don't have to babysit your auctions, and they have to babysit theirs.
Either of you are able to make the other one not make much money, and if you're tenacious enough, you might be able to drive the others out and catch the profits when prices rebound.
Unprofitable markets
What's typical of a hyper-competitive market, though, is walking into the middle of something like this. If multiple stubborn competitors are playing chicken and waiting for someone to blink, the best you can do is throw your time and pressure into the mix.
If the prices are already at or below your cost, there are two possibilities. First, you might not have the same cost as your competitors. This could be as simple as having to pay more for ore. It might be more complex if you're turning raw mats into multiple other types of mats (like through prospecting or milling). If your competitors for gems assign the whole cost of their ore into the red gems and are willing to undercut you down to vendor price on other colors, you'll win business for cut red gems but lose business on the other colors.
Second, the competition might be working with stock that they value for less than they could sell it. This can result when they farm their own or if they purchased before a recent price raise. Either way, they'll only be able to make profits until their cheap stock runs out, at which point they'll have to start buying the same way everyone else does.
The best advice I can give you is to analyze what you're paying for mats. See if there's a way you can get a better deal to put yourself on an even footing with your competitors.
Second, if you really can't conceivably get mats low enough to compete, it's probably worth waiting out the stock. Unless the cost of raw farmed mats goes down before you finish, you might be able to make a bundle by buying out all the goods under cost and waiting until people stop listing them for less than it costs to make.
For example, say Ebonsteel Belt Buckles cost 110g to make (you could sell the mats for 110g on the AH), and they're regularly selling for 90g. Instead of buying mats, buy all the buckles under 110g, and keep doing so until they stop being posted for that. Then you can list the ones you bought competitively and make a decent margin, considering you didn't need to smelt or craft.
There's no way to get around it: The more gold making auctioneers there are in a server, the smaller slice of pie each will get. The reality is, though, that the larger realms with the larger economies will attract more gold makers, because a small slice of a big realm might be worth more than a large slice of a small realm. Carving yourself a small piece of a big pie can be a challenge, but if you get good at it, the potential profits are enormous. The only difference between you and the competitors trying to lock you out is that they are already comfortable.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
mr.e81 Feb 13th 2012 3:29PM
I Just wish the Blizzard would combine all realm AH together so that there is one Aliance AH one Goblin AH and one Horde AH. I can never find what I need anymore since my realm is becoming a ghost town.
Smashbolt Feb 13th 2012 3:39PM
And then every player on every server would have the problems described in this article to the highest possible degree. Even normal non-goblin players would be relisting that Linen Cloth every 48 hours for months just to sell it at 20 copper a piece...
Noyou Feb 13th 2012 3:55PM
No 1000x over and over again. First of all, I don't want AH lag. I can't even imagine all the servers tied into one huge AH mess. Second of all, I don't want 100 pages listed of single items. I am a casual player and AH user. Sure I read articles like this to pick up tips from time to time, but I don't spend more than a few minutes a day (10-20) at it. I don't Have any of the recommended addons. I just like to get in and get out. I think it is perfectly fine how it is.
Nyold Feb 13th 2012 4:39PM
@Smashbolt,
No, but the demand would also be greater. People who do buy linen cloths will buy it from the same pool. If for some reason we still end up with very cheap linen cloths, then it really means world-wide (or at least region-wide) there is no demand for linen cloths, which might as well, you can vendor it. It's not the problem of people camping and relisting anymore, but purely supply vs demand. Also, not a problem of one person cornering the market, since no one has that kinda wealth to "corner" any segment of that large of a market.
The biggest hurdle to combined AH is, as Noyou described, lag and interface. If Blizzard can fix it, I do support combined AH 1000x.
Pyromelter Feb 13th 2012 3:35PM
Most realms will have an underserved market somewhere, be it in book of glyph mastery glyphs, netherweave/frostweave bags, pants enchantments, enchanting materials, mysterious fortune cards, smelted ore. This is why it's important to have an addon that can determine what kind of profit you can make on certain items.
I've seen it on my realm certain times where there are absolutely no spellcaster pants enchants on the AH. I'm easily making 200% profit during those times. At other times, there will be maybe like 3-5 on there. Let me check UM Journal now... currently seeing 7 on there for each type (one with stam, one with spirit), only checking in at about a 25% profit margin. Using the US Horde mean price, that profit margin would shoot up to 75%.
Also, I can't tell you how many times I've flipped ore to bars by simply afk smelting. It's generally low margin (10% or less), but high volume and about the easiest afk crafting in the game.
So while there may be someone who has a stranglehold on the gem market, or the glyph market, there will probably always be some place where you can make some gold. Just make sure you have your addons set up to tell you what's profitable today and this week. The other big key is then make sure you are prepared for big patches and expansions, and make sure you have a scribe, glyphs are always changing and people will always be leveling alts through new content.
Noyou Feb 13th 2012 4:07PM
Spot on brother. I recently made a bank toon and am leveling her to max level. She has mining for leveling and also when bars are selling more than ore- which is not all the time- she can smelt them and profit. I said above I am a casual AHer so I tend to focus on simple things like this. I think it is a good suggestion for anyone who is in the begging stages of AHing. KISS (keep it simple- sunshine).
Aaron Feb 13th 2012 6:33PM
Noyou said: "I recently made a bank toon and am leveling her to max level."
It's totally worth it. If your bank alt's a level 1, you're missing out. For one thing, it's two profession slots that don't have to have any raid utility (Tailoring for a Warrior, why not?). For another thing, it eliminates much of the administrative headache of mailing stuff back and forth. The leveling process also helps offset the cost of training your bank alt's professions, and gives you an opportunity to use some of the things they make, things I'd have normally dumped on the Auction House at a loss.
Pyromelter Feb 13th 2012 7:33PM
I recommend pairing mining with alchemy for the transmutes with a bank alt. Every so often there will be a dearth of things like arcanite bars, which are needed to level blacksmithing. Not to mention doing your daily high-level bar transmute, whatever that will be in MoP.
Azrieal Feb 13th 2012 3:37PM
i like reading your articles they make alot of sense and help ease people into the AH or as my friends call it "your nasty addiction"
yes i have spent days just logging on to recycle auction posts. but then that doesn't stop my friends from having me do all their AHing for them, and when they can buy all their mounts when they hit the level for them they don't much complain (for a while atleast)
in all the strategies you post, how do you feel about just "everything" AHing. i use Auctioneer and i just post everything, buy anything low (i have a healthy ignore list of stuff that just no one buys like old-world rep turnin ore) and resell it higher.
I keep a standard undercut of 1-3% and Beancounter keeps the "this isn't selling so we will post it next time at a lower" or vice-versa posting price in check. always sell in 5 or 1 stacks. and i never really micro-manage any of my auctions. they post for 24 hours and always go back up (even on monday nights). i even post at mid-level prices when there is a heavy low-ball presence for certain items.
is this a mistake? should i be more careful, am i just throwing gold away? i make a good amount of gold, but should i be making more by being a little more watchful?
Pyromelter Feb 13th 2012 7:37PM
You might squeeze out a bit more profit watching a bit more closely, but the key to getting gold capped is always turning around your inventory. I would say you're doing it right, persistence is key with maintaining AH profits. Just remember at this point in the expansion, all the "low hanging fruit" easy money has been made, and your profit margins are likely to be relatively low going forward. As long as you can sell for a profit, keep those items churning and you'll keep winning the gold game.
bigbrokenmachines Feb 14th 2012 11:12AM
You're definitely leaving gold on the table (and probably getting laughed at from time to time by micromanaging sellers like me :), but if it's making you an acceptable amount of gold for the time you invest, there's no reason to stop.
I just get unreasonably amused by super-automated folks. I've accidentally listed Demonseye cuts for 900g instead of 90, and when I go back to review, somebody's undercut me at 899g99s99c. Other times, somebody will be dumping a bunch at 11g (they're usually in the 50g-90g range on my realm), and the same guy's undercutting them at 10g99s99c.
Logically, i have to assume that they're making more gold per hour (of listing) than i am, on sheer volume alone. I just prefer to play the AH mini-game my way.
andrews Feb 14th 2012 11:39AM
I hate 1 stacks!!!! Sometimes I buy them anyway with Auctioneer or TSM, but I sometimes buy more expensive things to eliminate so many clicks. Only 1 stack something used 1 at a time. That would not be herbs or ores!
Azrieal Feb 14th 2012 11:43AM
5 stacks for everything
3 stacks for lesser essences
1 stacks for enchants, greater essences and everything else that isn't useful in quantity but wow lets you stack them (to save space)
Alurius Feb 13th 2012 5:02PM
Sometimes, it's best to abuse those people relisting repeatedly. During the height of the 4.3 Ore Inflation, I would post a single piece of Elementium Ore for some obnoxiously cheap price; when the market was posting for 6-9g an ore, I would post one for 2 gold or less.
Enough people using the glory of automated auction house addons will relist without a second thought, going with their prestructured numbers and percentage undercuts while paying no attention to the actual result.
Don't be afraid to punish an overeager market for too much automation in pricing and listing. Often enough, you can list something small for the price you want to buy the rest of the stock for, and get away with an easy and cheap purchase.
Peter Feb 13th 2012 4:45PM
I've been taking advantage of a guy who's been trying to maintain a glyph price floor of around 300g on my realm with camping, Auctioneer snatch lists, etc. Its mostly Book of glyph mastery ones, but a few other recommended ones from elitistjerks etc.
I haven't recalculated my crafting cost, but when I last checked it was below 12g.
Rather than undercutting him by 1 silver in the range of 300g, I'll go post one of each of the 100 or so that he's "maintaining" at around 100g. He then has to decide whether to match down to 99g and give up his 300g income, or buy me out. I post 1 or 2 first to see what mood he's in.
But, when he bites, and he usually does, that's between 8k for a few minutes of work without having to camp the AH. I routinely get 2, maybe 3 full buyout cycles on a raid night. That's 16-24k right there. It takes less time to sell and post than to craft them.
Does it bother me that he's relisting my glyphs at 300g? Hell no! I've been paid for my crafting, he's got to struggle to sell them.
Does this tactic work for everyone? Definitely not.. I just happen to know he's an egotistical maniac that likes to feel like he "owns" the glyph market and has an obscene amount of gold to support that. There's nobody like that in the JC market on my realm.
Lars Petersson Feb 13th 2012 5:02PM
Oh how I envy you ^_^
That is quite possibly the most awesomest kind of competitor to have...
ShakaKOZ Feb 13th 2012 7:46PM
This works in reverse too. Sure, you are making money when he buys up all your auctions, but if he is buying your auctions at 100G and selling them at 300G, then he is doing pretty well. The question is "how many will he sell at 300G?". I bet he wouldn't keep buying them if he was losing money, especially over a long period of time.
So, it's possible you are both making good money off this.
Lars Petersson Feb 14th 2012 7:07AM
@Shaka
As long as he can churn out enough glyphs for the competitor to buy them all, and he makes a profit, then it shouldn't really matter...
Lars Petersson Feb 13th 2012 5:00PM
I find that tenacity works quite well, but my server is fairly low population, so there aren't many AH hawks...
On the other hand, there are also fewer buyers, but c'est la guerre...
I have a question for all you other AH mavens out there, which crafting skills are the most useful to have multiples of?
I'm thinking in terms of profitable cooldowns of course.
JC for Fire Prisms are nice, but not that profitable.
the research for my Inscriptionator is a bit too random to be useful unless I was starting two from scratch.
Tailoring and Alchemy seems potentially worth it, and I see no reason to have two LWs or BSs...
Rendarkin Feb 13th 2012 5:21PM
I have 2 tailors and 4 transmutation specced alchemists. I've used every single cooldown since Cataclysm went live making dreamcloth and transmuting volatiles from cheap volatile life to expensive volatiles (typically, air).
It's meant that I've been able to make and sell consistent numbers of spellthreads (sometimes other things) for very, very little real time spent, usually at 100-150% profit margins. Low volume, so it didn't make me rich, but in terms of gold made per minute of gameplay, it's been great.