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2-15-2012 @ 1:09PM
INCREDIBLY SIMPLE solutions.1. the Raid Finder gear trading timer expires after 10 minutes instead of two hours. (Or, maybe NO trade timer. I've yet to see it used legitimately post-double loot fix.)2. NO VENDOR PRICES on RF gear.
2-15-2012 @ 1:21PM
I have used the trading legitimately - rolled need on the tier pants on my priest, because I'd forgotten I'd just gotten the 397 tier pants on my guild's other raid that'd I'd subbed in for someone that week. Realized it as we were heading for the next boss, asked who else wanted it, handed it over to the first person of the right class who asked. But overall, yes, I agree with your point - and no vendor price for RF gear, definitely!
2-15-2012 @ 1:31PM
@ellemirHonestly you should look at your gear BEFORE you need/greed to see if its an upgrade
2-15-2012 @ 1:38PM
I was tanking LFR recently on my fresh DK and the other tank gave me the tank trinket after he won it, because he saw that I was sporting two 346 trinkets still. So, there are situations where trading in LFR gets used legitimately. You just have to run into nice people. Which admittedly doesn't happen often.
2-15-2012 @ 1:48PM
Or put 10g reward for passing - guaranteed. So you can be an ass and roll need/greed and get nothing if you lose. Or get the 10g for passing and move on.
2-15-2012 @ 1:52PM
One more tweak, make it so the gear cannot be disenchanted.
2-15-2012 @ 2:11PM
I ran lfr on my alt resto druid last week, rolled need on something (already forgot, how embarassing) and didn't win. There was also an agil leather piece that dropped that I rolled DE on. Once we arrived at the next boss, I had a trade window open up with the piece I needed on inside it. The other resto druid gave it to me "because you didn't roll on the agil gear". I'm still a little speechless when I think about how bad this system is that people are doing that.
2-15-2012 @ 2:25PM
A lot of players don't really care about winning the loot. They press the need button because it's active. Removing the vendor price, or making it so that the item can't be DE'd will help a bit, but people will still roll need if it's an option.The idea of getting paid to pass on loot is a great one. I think that's the kind of incentive that needs to be introduced. Pair it with the no DE & no vendor price & no trade, and you may find that people decide to just take their gold and not needlessly click the 'need' button.
2-15-2012 @ 2:33PM
I'm the beneficiary of a trade used legitimately. I was dpsing in RF on my arms warrior with a 378 weapon. The DK tank won Gurthalak, not knowing that his need roll would be counted as a need-plus. So he announced that he would give it to a strength dpser. He took a while deciding who to give it to and, because I was patient enough to wait around long enough after politely expressing my interest, he gave it to me.Because of this, I hope the option to trade RF loot never goes away.
2-15-2012 @ 4:27PM
Actually, rather than the guaranteed 10g for passing (why do we need another source of gold in the game), I think it would be a good idea if they charged 10g for each need roll, win or not. Many will still roll need because they "don't need that 10g", but would thinking about rolling need if they don't need it because giving it away is sometimes harder than not getting it.Or, make it 100G fee when you actually win an item on need roll. Anything to make those who don't really need the loot think about whether they need it or not. Or even remove the loot altogether, and just give some gold/vp at the end of the run and say "congratulations, you've now seen the content" so we don't feel obligated to run it on our raiding toons to benefit our guild's progression.
2-15-2012 @ 6:07PM
@Ellemir kingoomieiii's is about the best idea I have seen. I think the amount of loot lost to accidental roll would pale in comparison to the improvement in quality of the runs. I ignore everyone I see doing that. Someone else said loot doesn't really matter in there. That is asinine. If it didn't matter there would be no issues. Not everyone's schedule can accommodate a regular raiding schedule.
2-15-2012 @ 7:59PM
This would be great. It would solve so many problems.I was tanking on my DK the other day, and the other tank was also a DK who was a little better geared than I was. I saw some shoulders drop that I needed (I had terrible luck on shoulder drops throughout Firelands and was still in 359s), thinking that I would win with no competition since the other DK was wearing those exact same shoulders ... but no. He won, and when I whispered him to call him out on it, he said he rolled on it to trade it to his buddy. Talk about being angry. I called him a couple names (nothing too terrible, just stuff like asshole), whined about how that was the point of the role bonus, letting people who needed it for main spec win it, and about how shoulders were the main thing I needed since it was pretty much the only piece of gear I had under 378. After venting, I moved on and got over it, and was ready to pull. Apparently the tank told his friend, because all of a sudden a trade window opened and his friend gave me the shoulders and apologized (I never heard anything from the other tank). So two lessons: people will be dicks, but also, some can be nice if you bring up the problem. And an extra half lesson: even though it turned out all right, it might have better if I had been calmer about it, but I wasn't expecting to get the shoulders, I was just venting.
2-15-2012 @ 11:39PM
Gee, no trading, no disenchanting, no vendor value--how long have we been asking for this?Since the first weekend LFR came out.
2-15-2012 @ 11:41PM
@arkhanI had a player just give me the glove token because he was only looking for off-spec. No trade, no negotiation. There are definitely some rare awesome people out there. (not sure if Classifieds is still running, but if it is, I'm nominating Nuum from Stormreaver for being incredibly decent and unselfish)
2-16-2012 @ 2:54PM
Better than gold: Give a Valor reward for the 'Pass' button.
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