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2-16-2012 @ 4:35PM
I can appreciate what he's trying to do... but I don't appreciate the implication that somehow accepting tips makes you less of a real crafter or great player.I have spent HOURS farming for certain recipes, THOUSANDS of gold to collect some relatively rare patterns which would never drop for me, and have overall taken a great deal of pride at my efforts as a crafter in game. The amount I've made in tips has no where equaled out to the hours/time/money in game I've spent leveling, or perfecting my collection of recipes for my clients. When people don't bother to tip me at all, or give me a very small amount in response to a very rare pattern, there is a part of me which feels frustrated by this. I never complain about it, though, I just keep on trucking. For me it's more about the thought, and less about the money. I've gone up to a newer player and completely enchanted their character from head to toe with extra mats I had laying around, just because I could. While I am pleased someone goes out of his way to be nice, I don't like the way it makes it seem as if those who do not do exactly what he does, are somehow without the same level of values as he himself has. It seems a bit .. rude.
2-17-2012 @ 3:58PM
I can see why you would get upset at him when he says he doesn't accept tips and thinks everyone else should be like that, but he doesn't mean he dislikes people or thinks less of them if they do take tips. He's an awesome dude who's done quite a few crafting things for me and I like to share his ideals when I offer my crafting services. I generally don't take tips, closing the trade window before someone has a chance to. I'm not against tipping; I myself am a pretty big tipper. But what he does is simply amazing and it puts a smile on my face each time I am online and see his emporium open for business.
2-17-2012 @ 3:43AM
I understand that. I know he's probably very nice and well appreciated but for me, a tip is a way to say "thanks for your time." Otherwise, people just get used to getting everything for free and giving nothing in return and thinking it's OK. I port or enchant (though never advertise) and appreciate tips. I sometimes ask for runes just to let them know that it takes SOMETHING to do this. I play this game for me and help my friends and guildies (and absolutely refuse tips from them). I also try to refuse outrageously large tips, though some people generously insist.I wanted to hear more about "sweat equity." What does he expect people to do when he crafts things for them? Maybe if that was better explained, I might appreciate it more.I've just had too many experiences with freeloaders (beggars, people who want one dungeon run after another, people who seem to be incapable of doing quests without someone at least 20 levels higher following them around, that all ports or unlocking should always be free, etc.) to where I even refuse to give people 6c. It sounds horrible, but I feel better telling them where they can easily obtain said 6c. (Go kill the mobs right outside SW . . . you'll get 6c easily and learn that it's faster and easier than going around asking people, or I might tell them that they could possibly make 20g on the AH for a stack of copper - I look at the AH for current prices). And also, I accept tips because I think it's correct to compensate people for their time and the effort (and the cost) it took for them to get the profession skilled up (or to get their class level up to where they can do that). After all, if you count the all the time you spent doing stuff for strangers, that can be significant. I always tip (in WoW and in real life) and try to be generous about it.What I do is try to foster independence, self-sufficiency, cooperation, courtesy and gratitude for other people's time and energy, in a world where a lot of that sometimes seems to be in short supply. I try to do it through example but I don't know if anyone is paying attention. While I think generosity is wonderful, I think there are too many people who EXPECT that EVERYTHING should be free for them. You can tip me or not but I'll respect you more if you do. I have enough gold, so it's not that - I respect your appreciation of the time you ask of others. And friends get things for free because I don't become friends with everyone. I don't become friends with jerks and if I find out that you are a constant freeloader, you don't get to be my friend for too long and a drag on my energy. Just as I try to be a good person and a good friend (thereby earning friendship), I think others should as well. It's how life works, or should, anyway.And it may seem odd but I sometimes offer things when no one asks - free 16 slot Netherweave bags to new players, or low level gear I find when farming for Small Eggs in Westfall. (It's actually a lot harder and quite time consuming to give stuff away then to just DE, AH or vendor them). Sometimes the sudden and unexpected gifts from strangers are more fun anyway. If I'm questing with someone I don't know, I'll offer a port back to town (free).
2-17-2012 @ 2:58PM
"I wanted to hear more about "sweat equity." What does he expect people to do when he crafts things for them?"I read through the article three times looking for the same thing. From what I can tell, it basically means "your mats, though I might be willing to make an exception." Looking at the enchant trade (the picture where Daenzu is trading with Kimjong-something), that includes vellum and other cheap reagents. But he (generally) won't just trade cash for scrolls, because his focus in on providing a service.[When somebody begs for cash] "I might tell them that they could possibly make 20g on the AH for a stack of copper - I look at the AH for current prices."That's what I don't get about in-game begging. There's money all around you, waiting for you to take it. A stack of Copper will buy you a Netherweave Bag, and 100g is enough to pay for all of your 1-60 class training, with money left over for taxis and the occasional BoE upgrade.On a related note, don't ask me for money to buy mounts and riding training. If you need cloth for First Aid, I'll help you out. Need some Bear Flanks to level your Cooking? Got you covered. Riding skill, however, is not required, and it's an expense you should have seen coming. Just because you meet the level requirement for flight doesn't mean you have to have it. I spent days farming the money for basic and Cold Weather Flight, and epic flight cost me two months of Northrend dailies. I'm not going to "loan" you three grand for something that's merely a convenience.
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