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2-17-2012 @ 12:16PM
In Wrath I was part of one of the rare progression based 10man guilds. We at one point were ranked #1 strict 10mans in Uldurar, but then we liked doing gdkps and lost that distinction but ended up in the top 10 causal 10 man guilds. We raided 8 hours a week and half the time it seemed like we were see what was the best way to kill the raid leader or mding the healers. It was a lax and fun environment. Could we get serious, yes, but raiding and working together were more the goal and progression just ended up being the outcome.To us we were causal will a serious attitude, a happy mid point between striving to no ends to kill a boss first and wiping a few times and going to do something else.Fun and friendships I think make the biggest difference between actual hardcore and casual. No matter how progression oriented a guild is, with a good environment a guild can have a casual attitude.
2-17-2012 @ 12:35PM
I was in almost the exact same boat in Wrath. 10-man, cleared everything on normal with a few easier heroics thrown in (lootship, XT, Jaraxxus, etc.). We raided two nights a week, 4 hours a night. I fully considered us a casual raid, however. That has nothing to do with how much we played, or what we killed, but with our attitude. If you couldn't make it to raid, that was cool. Just tell someone. It was just pure fun, very little pressure. The divide between casual and hardcore, to me at least, is purely based on how you approach the time spent, and how you treat your fellow raiders.
2-17-2012 @ 2:23PM
That's basically how I feel about it as "casualcore." Back in Wrath my guild only did well in 10-mans (too much pugging to make 25s successful) but when we raided we raided. We wiped on fights over and over before finally getting them down; sure, it was on normal mode (to begin with) but you still got that same rush. And once we got a fight down it would take a really bad night to wipe to it again. And we only ever raided one, maybe two nights a week tops, but I still remember full-clearing Naxx and ICC on normal, and then doing some heroic modes in both Ulduar and ICC. We never got that Yogg kill back in Ulduar, something which gnawed at a few of our members, but we were all great at what we did and put in the effort outside of raiding to do well in it. We expected results from ourselves and others, something I think a truly casual environment wouldn't do (if it's "just for fun/content") but we always had a blast, joking it up between and even during boss fights, never having loot issues. Ah, good times. I miss my old guildies.
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