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In the gay community, we very commonly describe coming out as a process that you don't only do once. During my day-to-day life, I might meet a new person, have someone from work ask if I'm dating anyone, friend someone from high school on Facebook, or write an article about coming out as a gamer for WoW Insider. Regardless of which situation fits you best, all of these are fairly regular situations that result in needing to come out again.
Being gay and being a gamer -- not as different as you'd think
I think the experiences of coming out as a gamer and coming out as gay have a few very important similarities. In both cases, they're secrets we tend to guard that aren't outwardly visual. Despite stereotypes, you can't actually know whether someone is gay unless they tell you. Likewise, you can't tell that the woman you just bumped into on the side of the road is actually a three-time Gladiator warrior unless you get into a conversation about it.
We also tend to guard these secrets well and are very selective about who we tell them to. Society as a whole tends to have low expectations and opinions of gamers, particularly the ones who label themselves hardcore. There's a casual mental evaluation of people you meet to decide whether you want to out yourself to them. You listen for keywords, waiting for them to drop even the slightest mention that they play Call of Duty, before you can break into the conversation with your own gaming experiences.
Finally, both being gay and being a gamer are things that we might be proud of within a circle of our own friends but that we tend to be petrified of people finding out in the professional sphere. It's one thing to tell your best friends that you can't hang out on Wednesday nights after 9:00 because you have to raid, but is your boss ever going to understand that? You're valuing a commitment to 24 other people, but that doesn't preclude your boss from adding a value judgment to what you're doing.
Can being a professional and being a gamer really coexist?
This topic is something that I'm really interested in, particularly due to the fact that I work for WoW Insider. I'm a 24-year-old whose previous work experiences include working at the same nonprofit organization for eight years in a row and who is currently in the process of applying for a lot of full-time jobs, particularly in fields that require writing. I simply don't have the luxury of excluding WoW Insider from my resume, and I'm proud enough of my work here that I wouldn't if I could.

I've since discovered a lot of tricks to making my WI work sound good. I talk about the importance of social media in regards to professional blogging. I speak on the importance of writing regularly and that WI gives me a great outlet to do that. I've talked about the use of mathematics, simulations, and spreadsheets and their vital importance to understanding game mechanics, and I've talked about how my job is to help teach that understanding to others. And since I mainly work with kids, I use my job as video game blogger to emphasize my relatability with kids, and I talk about how I can use my story to inspire kids to focus in school. Because, really, despite the overarching societal view of gamers, every single 8- to 13-year-old kid I've ever worked with has wanted my job, even if they've never heard of World of Warcraft.
There are many other talking points for the benefit of video games that you could use in a professional setting. There are a variety of TED Talks out there that talk about video games, particularly as a teaching tool. There's the discussion of time management that allow hardcore raiders to raid and have a real life. There are even talking points like the discussion of WoW as social media, the effects of anonymity on how rude people are to one another, and whether it's the job of video games to force us to be good people.
Is it up to us to force the conversation?
The truth is that WoW (and gaming in general) does actually open up a wealth of intelligent discussion ideas. The sad thing is that social stigma relegates that discussion to blogs, podcasts, and forum posts. Very similarly to the Mattachine Society of the '50s, we tend to keep our important discussions in our own very close-knit groups of people who already accept us. Our reasoning for doing that is very valid; we still exist in a world that tells gamers over the age of 18 to grow up and accept the real world, while we're off exploring and learning in a "fake" one.

To take from the Mattachine Society, their course of action was to come out of the closet. From the Stonewall Riots of the 1960s to the gay marriage debates in America today, only by coming out did the gay community force a worldwide conversation about homosexuality. I don't mean to say that gaming and being gay are comparable on anywhere near the same level in regards to actual persecution, but just to make this point: If we're not the ones forcing people to accept that there are well adjusted, well educated, and professional people who play video games and who use video games as a tool for continued learning and discussion, whose fault is it that the term "hardcore gamer" still brings up the image of an acned Cartman from South Park with a pee bottle and a gaming addiction?
At the same time, is anyone willing to risk their job or even risk lowering their employer's opinion of them for something as inconsequential as a national dialogue about gaming? And, if they are, is that the right decision?
At the same time, is anyone willing to risk their job or even risk lowering their employer's opinion of them for something as inconsequential as a national dialogue about gaming? And, if they are, is that the right decision?
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Reader Comments (Page 2 of 4)
Pink Feb 24th 2012 9:38PM
He's relating the social stigma of the two. Rick Santorum it's bad enough I have to hear about you in the news, now you are plaguing wow insider comments?
shatnerstorm2 Feb 24th 2012 9:47PM
Ace just nailed the point I was trying to make in a much more concise manner. =)
Pyromelter Feb 24th 2012 10:32PM
"-Being a gamer has a negative stigma in today's society. We are proud of our lives, but others don't understand and look down on it.
-Another group that had a stigma like this is the gay community. "
I disagree with the first point on this list, which by rule means that the second point is null - gaming has never, ever had the stigma being gay has. No one is making laws about gamers not being able to marry one another, and that's just one very small example in a long history of bigotry. Being a gamer is no different than being lumped in as a jock, a goth, a raver, a punker, a rocker, a surfer, or any number of identifiable categories out there, each of which has a stereotype, but none of which have any legal restrictions, at least not to the level of the gay identification.
Ace Feb 24th 2012 10:43PM
He's not referring to the legal status of pursuing your goals as a gamer vs. pursuing your goals as a homosexual.
He's talking about the social aspect of the two, how they are similar in that they are not bad things, but many view them as such merely because they don't understand them.
He referenced the middle of the century for gays, when they decided to come out and be openly proud of who they are. As a result they are more openly accepted and their stigma has been reduced.
In this way, we could benefit. If people realized just how many of their friends, family, co-workers, customers, etc are gamers, I think that their perception of what kind of person a "gamer" is would change.
And that is the meat of this article. And in that respect, his comparison draws a lot of similarities and is very logical.
Zanathos Feb 24th 2012 11:48PM
You're a hiring manager, and your job is to read resumes. And here you've posted in response to an article you've either not read or not comprehended.
It's like you stepped out of a Dilbert strip.
Peebers Feb 25th 2012 9:55AM
Zanthos 2012!
exogenesis. Feb 24th 2012 7:31PM
"Likewise, you can't tell that the woman you just bumped into on the si7de of the road is actually a three-time Gladiator warrior unless you get into a conversation about it."
As a female, I dislike this view very much. If I got chatting to a bloke, I would absolutely love for him to just randomly mention that he's a gamer, without me having to push the conversation in that direction. Now, I know that as a gamer woman myself, I'm in the minority of women who might like that, but surely, a woman who is put off by you mentioning a gamer isn't worth your time anyway?
Just ... something that's always irked me.
exogenesis. Feb 24th 2012 7:36PM
You know what, I am a total idiot and reread that wrong. I read it as "you can't tell that woman you are.." instead of "you can't tell that that woman is..."
It's past midnight, I'm tired, and I'm ill. Ugh, now I'm going to crawl off to bed feeling thoroughly humiliated.
Noyou Feb 24th 2012 9:38PM
Aw don't feel bad. You caught it and didn't sound bad either in the OP or the explanation. As opposed to when I do it and look like a fool. :p
Eamara Feb 26th 2012 12:22AM
You have an excellent point, at any rate. While it's not like you should say 'I'M A GAMER COME WATCH ME GAME I AM AWESOME AT GAMING ARE YOU A GAMER YOU SHOULD BE IF NOT LET'S GAME TOGETHER GAMES GAMES GAMES GAMES GAMES', it's also not something to be hiding either.
Imagine this scenario. You're speed dating, with 5 minutes to chat to each potential partner. You either hide your gaming hobby, or add it in with your hobbies when asked about what you do in your spare time. How does this decision affect the outcome of the evening?
If you hide it, you may get 5-6 people at the end of the night who state they are interested in you. However, they are interested in a lie: they do not know who you really are. What are they going to do when they find out later on? Because if you want to date them, then they are going to find out. It's just a matter of time.
Alternatively, if you're open about your hobby, then you may only get 1 person interested. But that 1 person knows exactly what they are getting in to. They know who you really are. Surely that would create a more long-lasting, trusting, and ultimately loving relationship?
Mir Feb 24th 2012 7:50PM
Not sure if I have a unique perspective from the other's reading this site or not, but let me start by saying I'm on the one sitting on opposite side of the table. I'm in my late 30s and am a Discipline Manager for my consulting company. I hire on average half a dozen new engineers each year. I also understand gaming and what it takes to be a raid leader. I was GM of a server first guild and spent some time in Death and Taxes when they were top 10 in the world. People should remember that everyone my age grew up with games....you have no idea how many hours I "wasted" in university computer labs playing Warcraft, Starcaft and Doom.
Now that you have the background, let me tell you why Eamara is wrong to put his WoW experience on his resume. It is completely and utterly irrelevant. I don't care if you were on the high school football team, play chess competively, or organize numerous furrie conventions for you and your animal loving friends. None of that has anything to do with the job I'm hiring you for. I'm only interested in your professional experience, not what you do in your spare time. So obviously, Fox should be mentioning his blogging experience, but everyone else here, for your own good don't bother.
You have to remember this one important fact: you only have 2 pages to impress me. When I scan through the hundreds (yes hundreds for a single job posting) of resumes I get every month, if I see all kinds of space devoted to non-professional activities, then I'll assume that you simply don't have the professional experience I require.
Special note: the above applies to professional positions only. I also own a private business that hires alot of high school students during the summer. Being a raid leader/GM might help you there. Just for god's sake don't lie about it. I can armory your toons as easy as anyone else and see if you are GM or not.
Blacklight Feb 25th 2012 1:01PM
I'm in a similar situation, at 38 years old I've been in senior management positions for a decade and have hired many people. I've also played games since the very first consoles and computers entered our homes and still balance an active gaming hobby with my career and social life.
It's irrelevant for 99.9% of jobs whether you are a scout leader, WoW GM, captain of your basketball team or chairman of your local debating society. I don't give a monkeys about your social life or your achievements in it. All I care about is your relevant professional experience.
When you were 17-18 years old trying to get into a good university people care whether you are in the theatre group or leader of your high school cheer leading team. When you're looking for work nobody cares.
Keep WoW or any other gaming achievements for that matter, off your resume/CV. If I see someone trying to stretch that kind of achievement into something professionally relevant it just makes me question your real achievements and sense of perspective.
Plainswander Feb 24th 2012 7:55PM
I'll just say that yes, it is entirely possible to be a gamer, and a professional person. I do it every day.
The "how" is different for everyone, but it is possible.
Lissanna Feb 24th 2012 8:56PM
I actually spend a lot of time and effort protecting my "real" identity from becoming associated with my gamer persona. I really don't know why I feel the need to hide my video game play from the people I work with on a daily basis...
Plainswander Feb 24th 2012 10:02PM
For me, it's a matter of treating it as matter-of-factly as anything else. There's "being someone who plays games", and theres "running about shouting I PLAYS DER VIDYAGAMZ! HUHR HUHR HUHR". One is what normal people do, and causes no alarm or judgement, the other is, well, it's what people THINK gamers do, and it's totally worthy of judgement.
But yeah. I don't exactly hide it, but I don't advertise either. A nice middle ground works quite well.
Pyromelter Feb 24th 2012 10:27PM
I know why you do it Lissanna. It's partly because it's easier (not having to explain things to coworkers), but also partly because you're a superhero, and only the superhero's inner circle really knows who she/he is.
Liv Feb 25th 2012 7:13PM
I'm the same, I hide it from my work colleagues and non gamer friends. Too many negative reactions in the past have put me off, plus I think there is extra stigma to being a girl gamer.
The negative reactions have not been outright condemnation, but more a subtle disdain from then on. Like if I mention I'm tired, I get 'up all night playing huh?' when I don't even play late on weeknights. Or constant comments about how they wouldn't have time to play games (the tone clearly implying that I am wasting my time on something stupid and childish). Yeah but they will spend 3 hours in front of the TV a night no problem!
I even get it from gamer friends that don't play WoW. Apparently other games are fine but WoW is the crack of games and if I play it I must be addicted. When I told a friend I took a 6 month break from WoW, he assumed it was as some kind of intervention! Umm no, I was bored.
deymorin Feb 24th 2012 9:44PM
"In the gay community, we very commonly describe coming out as a process that you don't only do once."
This is why, as a straight man when I meet a new person that I expect to be associated with in the future, I often work into that first conversation that I am LGBT friendly.
As a happy side effect, I get into far less angry conversations with people who see a overweight white dude and think, "This guy wants to hear about how awful THEY are." (gays, jews, muslems, etc)
Ace Feb 24th 2012 9:47PM
I was an infantryman in the Army... a very physical, all-male, macho environment. I felt that, as a gamer, if they knew I played something like WoW I would be mercilessly ridiculed. This isn't just a professional relationship, these are guys I lived with, worked with, and hung out after work with on a daily basis... to be ostracized from such a group was something I was very much afraid of.
Then I became a sergeant. I started being more myself. I had earned my rank, as well as several awards along the way, and I felt confident enough to just be me, and F what anyone else has to say about that.
During some downtime in the barracks, I pulled out my laptop and logged in. Sure enough, another sergeant and a private saw my screen over my shoulder, and walked over. To my surprise, the sergeant asked "Hey man, what server do you play on?"
Over the next 10 minutes or so, we all realized that about half the room played WoW, as other soldiers started talking about their characters, realms, etc.
If you have the guts to stand up and just be yourself, and put it all out there, I think you'd be surprised how many people out there actually play WoW, how many play other games just as intently, and how many think less of you for it. The number of people in the latter group was very few, and when they looked around the room they sure as hell didn't express that opinion.
Pyromelter Feb 24th 2012 9:50PM
"Being gay and being a gamer -- not as different as you'd think"
I'm not gay, but there definitely does not seem to be as much of a stigma as being a gamer that being gay is.
Otherwise why would hundreds or even thousands of athletes go on TV, do interviews, promote themselves as playing all sorts of games, but there are very, very few who would admit to being gay during their active career?
Also, think of the classic slurs in high school. Substitute the words in this phrase, "You're such a ______." Do it once with a gay slur, then try to think of a slur for a gamer (I can't even think of one... computer nerd maybe?) Which sounds more harsh and hurtful? Pretty obvious even to a breeder like me.
Regarding professional and work stuff, frankly at work other than very superficial private stuff shouldn't ever be talked about. Smart professionals who enjoy some vices aren't going to talk about the hooker they got in vegas, the joint they smoked last night, or the 7-way orgy they had at burningman. They'll just say "Oh you know, it was vegas." Or "Oh yeah chilled with friends last night." Or "Oh yeah I went to this campout/art festival."
Even lesser things, maybe you're in a bowling league and you didn't bowl so well the night before. You're probably not gonna whine about that all day at work. It's the same with gaming. You share your gaming with your gaming friends, and at work you might mention at most something like "Oh yeah I played some video games last night." Frankly that's all anyone deserves of your business, unless you have a relationship with a coworker that is more of a real friendship. That goes for gaming or sexual preference, in my opinion, because frankly unless it's your family or chosen friends, who you have sex with or what games you play are none of anyone else's business. That being said, I can't imagine admitting being a gamer to the public is anywhere near as difficult as coming out of the closet, so I think some of this articles points are a bit muted in that respect.