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2-24-2012 @ 5:57PM
While not all changes to PvE are derived from PvP, PvP does have a big inpact in PvE game play. Taking a look at 2 specs that have been very bottom of the barrel thru Cataclysm; Frost Mages and Beast Mastery Hunters. Frost Mages have possible the best CCs in the game and that gives them alot of utility in PvP. if frost mages also had a great burst or sustain high DPS this would be a huge thing in PvP, while it would probably had been a change to make them competitive in PvE.Beast Mastery hunters have what could be considered the best "dot" in the game; A big red pet that will follow after you. for these reasons BM hunters DPS in itself is quite low as a strong pet that you cannot LoS plus a strong DPS hunter would again make a big diference in PvP. While on the PvE side most encounters in cataclysm have the 2 biggest things that affect BM DPS in PvE; movement and add switching. After the big changes of how the pet UI works this affected Bm the most of all pet classes, boss movement can affect wheter your Kill Commnd hit or not, while add switching makes it hard for you to keep your pet-on-target which again affects KC a BM's signature and heavy hitting move.In the end because PvE and PvP are two diferent work horses and in order to keep raid fights interesting various mechanincs that make the player more aware of their surrounding it forces this "Best Spec" for figts and by the same note makes it so some specs cannot ever hope to reach that lelvel with out some serious reworked to their play styles.
2-24-2012 @ 6:52PM
May I add the example of kitty druids: Bleeds got nerfed for being OP in PvP, however strong bleeds are our saving grace in movement-heavy, target-switching fights. As it stands in Dragon Soul, kitties are the bottom dps spec (compare also the "state of dps" article by Frostheim a few weeks into the patch).
2-24-2012 @ 7:05PM
BM is in fact not much behind MM at this point, and in T11 and T12 was only slightly behind SV. While it has been our lowest dps spec this expansion, it's not by much. In fact when my guild was working on Ascendant Council in BoT, I went BM specifically for that fight, because while the bosses were teleporting around the room while I was looking for tornadoes or vortexes, I never had to worry about where my pet was...he was chasing the boss around chewing on his backside!
2-24-2012 @ 10:40PM
@Vegetto375I don't know what game you're playing when you say that Frost Mages don't have burst. Mage burst during Shatter combos with enough mastery can hit a PvP-geared person for crazy amounts of damage. My warrior has 4.7k Resilience and I've taken 28k ice lances, frostbolts and frostfire bolts, each.@RevnahThat had also a lot to do with the fact that Ferals would line up bleeds on a target, then bound away and sit in bear form while abusing tanking cooldowns. They still do abuse tanking cooldowns but the bleeds don't kill someone in a matter of seconds anymore.
2-25-2012 @ 3:43AM
Yeah, I know. But my point is, if a spec is either too strong in PvP or too weak in PvE, then maybe the two *should* be separated. They've already made some abilities weaker in PvP than in PvE, I wish they'd do that for kitty bleeds too. Buff them for PvE only, problem solved!
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