Drama Mamas: The case of the PvE wife and PvP husband
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Dear Drama mamas,
I've been a longtime wow player and I almost exclusively pve, while my husband only enjoys pvp. I've tried without success to get him to try raiding, and have given up on that. Instead I found an awesome guild and I love raiding with them a couple nights a week.
He is getting tired of the same old random BGs and wants to do arenas with me. This might sound silly but arena gives me extreme anxiety and after 10 or so matches I almost burst out in tears. I've told my husband over and over to join a pvp guild or find a different arena partner, but he's very shy and says he doesn't feel comfortable talking or making friends with people he's never met in RL. He only wants to do arenas with me.
I feel so horribly guilty telling him that I don't want to do arenas, and I'd feel even guiltier if he quit the game over it. Yet I just can't bring myself to enjoy or even tolerate competitive pvp. What should I do? Should I just say no and deal with the consequences?
Thanks,
Distressed arena partner
Feeling anxiety about participating in something you don't like at a competitive level is completely normal.
Now, there are things in this situation that I do find if not silly then bothersome. Let's go over the facts:
- You like raiding.
- Your husband likes PvP.
- You don't like PvP in general.
- Your husband doesn't like PvE in general and raiding specifically.
- You get severe anxiety over playing in Arenas.
- Your husband has in-game social anxiety, preventing him from wanting to get a partner he doesn't know in the physical world.
- You have tried to be his Arena partner, despite your anxiety.
- Your husband has not even tried raiding.
- You are happy raiding with your guild.
- Your husband has stated the only thing he wants to do in WoW is participate in Arenas with you, and you only.
If you have informed your husband about your Arena anxiety and he is dismissing it as not important -- well, you have bigger problems than just your PvE vs. PvP differences. You consider his online social anxiety valid, and he should reciprocate. But even if you didn't fear competitive PvP, your dislike of it should be enough. Just as you gave up on getting him to raid because he didn't like it, he shouldn't guilt you into PvPing for the same reason.
I've given you too many shoulds and not enough solutions. Tell him you wish to continue raiding but are not willing to participate in Arenas -- just as he is unwilling to raid with you. Offer to help him find an in-game partner (perhaps from your guild) that he'd be willing to play with. If he still insists he will only Arena with you, then please do not feel guilty about his leaving WoW. If he's not having fun anymore, he shouldn't be playing it. Neither of you should be spending your leisure time doing something you don't like.
Save your guilt for important things like finishing up the Nutella and not putting it on the grocery list. Now that is something to feel guilty about.
- Try the Raid Finder -- together. No, it ain't traditional, guild- or team-centered raiding with all the camaraderie that entails ... but it can be fun, too, and it's a step in that direction.
- Does your husband know anyone who'd be willing to do some casual War Games with the two of you? No numbers, no ratings ... no pressure.
- How about an entirely fresh idea altogether? It was only just last month that we advised reader LFG on how to find new in-game buddies and new activities. I think you've got the buddy -- now all you need is a fresh way to attack the game you can both feel excited about.
- Cheat -- not on each other, but on World of Warcraft itself. What you need is a breath of fresh air. You might not be willing to plunk down the money for two games and two subscriptions for a commitment as large as Star Wars: The Old Republic, but so many great MMOs have gone free-to-play lately that anyone who claims they can't find something else worth trying isn't trying themselves.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
Magma Feb 27th 2012 2:10PM
An ex and I broke up for that very reason, she refused to communicate fer feelings except through subtle clues and got angry when I didn't know what was wrong. I'm still not totally sure why we broke up as far as the original straw that broke the camels back goes.
I said that to say this, communication is one of the most important things between 2 people, don't let a lack of it be the downfall of everything, in WoW, or life.
EVOXPISCES Feb 27th 2012 2:38PM
There are times I wish my girlfriend played WoW but other times not so much. Because I like doing my own thing 90% of the time and don't want something as trivial as a video game to come between us.
Noyou Feb 27th 2012 2:58PM
The video game is innocent. It's the lack of communication. The video game is only the medium that is diving these feelings. There is a lot more going on there than just playing WoW. The mama's were pretty spot on with their advice. I am not sure simply finding another partner for each of them will fix their problems though. In fact it could only lead to more.
jeff Feb 27th 2012 2:26PM
The guild idea is a great one. My significant other was the PVP'er, but joined my raiding guild just to meet people. Now she does arenas with a few of them (and shows up for a raid now and then to fill in!). Chances are every guild has somebody in it willing to do PVP.
Shinae Feb 27th 2012 2:33PM
Great answers from the Mamas! I'm actually kinda surprised that this lady even has to ask the question in the first place...
Sure, being in a relationship means doing things that are more or less obligations and are not always enjoyable, such as visiting with the in-laws. But when it comes to something that should be fun? Why on earth would she think that has to force herself to do arenas or feel guilty if she doesn't? What kind of guilt trip is he laying on her, especially when it's perfectly acceptable that he doesn't participate in the WoW activity that she likes, i.e. raiding?
I also have a husband who does not like raiding, and I really enjoy it. Our WoW time was a little rough back when we were first discovering this years ago, but since we've identified the clear differences in our playstyles, we're at peace with playing separately. We still have that shared interest in the game, despite not playing together.
Lipstick Feb 27th 2012 3:15PM
He may not be doing anything, and it just might be her issue. What I mean is, some people are people pleaser's and they're not happy or able to enjoy themselves unless someone else is having fun and enjoying themselves too.
Not saying of course that this is the situation there, but in some relationships some people are givers and other takers. Of course not healthy ones necessarily but for some couples this sort of strange dynamic works for the couple so long as the taker, doesn't take more than they should, and the giver takes time off to recharge their own batteries.
But it can work.
Shinae Feb 27th 2012 3:32PM
You're right, Lipstick. I was only speculating when I mentioned guilt trips. Her guilt could be totally internal and not at all encouraged by her husband. I was just getting worked up by the possible inequality in this matter, but then, we are only reading about it from her perspective.
She definitely needs to talk tio him about how much she doesn't like arenas, and hopefully he'll be understanding and support her decision to abstain.
Armill3 Feb 27th 2012 2:35PM
Hah! He's already super-fortunate that he has a gamer for a wife to begin with. You have the power here, DAP. While it's nice that you're considering his feelings, I think what's called for is tough love - just keep playing the game the way you want, and if he wants to arena, he can get over his anxiety and find other partners. If he can't do that, he probably doesn't belong in arena play anyway.
Some guys really don't realize how good they have it.
Phoenix Psaltery Feb 27th 2012 2:54PM
My wife, back when she was "just" my girlfriend, introduced me to WoW. That was in August of 2006. Since then we have come a long way; both our mains are 85s and are guild officers. The one thing we disagree on is PvP. She hates it, and she hates when I kill those funny people with the red tags, so I usually try to avoid that. I have pointed out that the advance publicity for MoP indicates a state of all-out war between our beloved Horde and the Alliance scum. It remains to be seen what will happen to us.
Pyromelter Feb 27th 2012 2:57PM
Arena is a high-pressure, high-intensity fishbowl where one mistake can easily cost you a match. Plus it just feels so unnatural sometimes with all the pole-humping that takes place. Battlegrounds are so much more of a natural feel.
I'm a pretty good pvp'er, and I absolutely loathe arenas for the same reasons the OP writes in for. Dear Husband is going to have to accept it and deal with it, IMO just put your foot down and tell him to find another arena partner, or accept that you're just not an arena player, because otherwise it's going to drive you crazy (or drive you away).
albanesp Feb 27th 2012 2:58PM
Spend more time PvPing between the sheets and you two will be just fine.
But seriously (I was being serious above btw...) spend some quality time together out...away from WoW. Don't let a silly thing like WoW cause stress in your marriage.
On the other hand, perhaps he needs some help with his in-game shyness problems (or a firm no-to-pvp from you) . I can't imagine someone who can make and keep real life friends having difficulty spamming trade for a 2's partner, hooking up in vent and having a go at it.
Nagaina Feb 27th 2012 3:02PM
I have the exact opposite problem with my husband: he's the PvE fiend, wants to eventually train up with our guild to be a raiding tank in progression, whereas I'm all about the PvP. And we've even got a mirror opposite of this problem: I don't detest dungeoning or raiding and will cheerfully go along on these activities -- last night we got a group together and ran BWL so he could finally get his long-conveted Smelt Enchanted Elementium Ingots book -- but I cannot get him to do anything in PvP. At all. Despite the fact that Honor -> JP conversion could get him *current Tier* armor and we could pull him into guild group current dungeon content to gear him up for PvE faster if he's wearing some high iLevel PvP gear. He tried it when we were playing on different servers, hated it like a hating thing, and now won't touch it again, despite the fact that we're with a guild that *regularly groups together to do battlegrounds* to avoid that lonely ganked to death without a friend in the world sensation. It is to sigh over.
Basically, OP, the Mamas' advice here is sound. So is the advice in many of the comments. Communicate! Your man cannot read your mind. If you don't like PvPing in Arenas, *say so.* Don't beat around the bush on it, don't "just say no and deal with the consequences," have an actual discussion about what you don't like about it. (Frankly: Arena is not my favorite thing either -- I have a lot of anxiety about being the weakest link a team of more experienced players and costing the team I'm in rating if we all die due to Critical Healing Failure.) Maybe you can come up together with ways of easing each others' anxiety in situations where you're uncomfortable.
Pyromelter Feb 27th 2012 3:25PM
"Learn to use your words so we can communicate"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gum2vPmnKbk
(awesome song, yet also a completely shameless plug for one of my favorite musicians of all time)
Aaron Feb 27th 2012 5:10PM
"I cannot get him to do anything in PvP. At all. Despite the fact that Honor -> JP conversion could get him *current Tier* armor... "
If he truly hates PvP, that's not a convincing argument. I could spend half an hour running a Twilight Heroic and get 210 JP, or I could spend 15-45 minutes in a battleground and earn 300 Honor, which works out to about 200 JP. If the payout is the same, why not do the one I enjoy more? Even if one Battle for Gilneas paid the same as five Heroics, I wouldn't do it. I freakin' hate that place.
You're asking him to do something he wouldn't choose to do for the promise of material rewards; that sounds an awful lot like a job. Your comment has a tone of "my idea is clearly superior, why doesn't he see that?", but for many people, PvP isn't fun. It's hours of bashing your head against players who have better gear and years of practice. It's pointlessly dying over and over again because your class has no tools to use against [that one class that seriously needs to be nerfed]. It's doing 3K DPS against the other guy only to see it get healed five seconds later, but then they all pile on you and you die before you can say anything. That's not fun, and you have to put up with it for weeks just to get geared enough to survive. Material rewards can't change that, and they can't change how he feels about PvP.
Nagaina Feb 27th 2012 7:43PM
@ Aaron ~
The problem with your analysis is that you know absolutely nothing about my relationship with my husband or the conversations that we've had on this topic, and you'd do well to spare me "tone" arguments. I was commiserating with a similar situation, inasmuch as I'm willing to run dungeons with my husband but he is not willing to attempt PvP even to obtain a form of reward that he wants.
That being said: this particular conversation with my husband arose from a question he asked me about *alternative methods* of gaining JP *beyond* running dungeons. PvP is such a method -- alternative, not superior, and a way of side-stepping around the heroic grind that our guild is not actually doing regularly at this juncture.
Also: I heal. In PvP. In fact, *I am a paladin healer in PvP.* I can sing you songs of horrific dogpiling while gearing. It *is* an exercise in frustration management. So is trying to do anything while the environment itself is trying to kill you with raid mechanics.
Aaron Feb 27th 2012 9:37PM
That's true, I'm probably reading things into that paragraph that you never wrote. And the additional context (he's asking for ideas) certainly changes things. I made an assumption about you based on a few sentences, and that was inappropriate. I'm sorry.
If he just won't, that's kind of tough to deal with, but our guild has made a few PvP converts by grouping for the vehicle-based battlegrounds. While I don't know that I'll ever like Gilneas*, I think Wintergrasp, Strand of the Ancients, and Isle of Conquest played a big part in getting me past the "PvP is stupid" hurdle.
But I've strayed from the original question. It's one thing to expect somebody to guard the Blacksmith, but Arenas are something else entirely. As gewalt suggested, PvP and Arenas might grow on her eventually, and she should probably give it a chance within a safe environment (and having a real-life friend for a teammate is pretty safe to begin with). But he needs to know that he's putting a lot of pressure on her by jumping in head first and by insisting that she be his one and only Arena partner. Maybe she can be his 2's partner and commit to one match a week, but he can find some guildmates to do 3's and 5's so he's not relying on her for Conquest points.
* I think it's the small group thing. In AV or Strand or Eye of the Storm, I can travel with a pack. In Gilneas you only get 2-3 people to hold each point, so when your neighbor runs off to camp the graveyard, you're just up the creek.
Lemons Feb 27th 2012 3:10PM
Arenas are intense...me and my best friend would do them back in the day, and we'd get into huge shouting matches about what exactly went wrong and who should have done what when. It never stopped us from arenaing, but the caveat is that we both really enjoy that aspect of the game, but if you don't then all the stress is probably not worth it.
This chick's husband will be better off with a different partner anyways...you know...someone without debilitating anxiety towards the activity.
Shade Feb 27th 2012 3:36PM
Oh man... arenas. Even though I only did 2s for points back in Wrath, my roommate (and arena partner) knew that he always had to have something ready for afterward to calm me down. I have never been angrier about anything in WoW than the night we actually timed out of an arena match. The opposing resto druid didn't even have a partner, but because my roommate was also a resto druid, we didn't have the damage to kill him.
Dazzin Feb 27th 2012 4:04PM
Maybe seeing if someone from the guild would be willing to buddy up with the shy hubby - that way the person is not a completely unknown quantity and the guildie gets to get their PVP on.
Just a thought.
gewalt Feb 27th 2012 4:50PM
I'm just going to play the devil's advocate cause I don't see this idea being expressed at all.
Accept the fact that you are a noob at pvp (thats the anxiety), and just get over it. All shrinks, good ones and bad ones, will tell you the best thing to do about your fears is to face them and get over it.
So yes, I think you should just suck it up and pvp with your husband. But make a deal with him. He has to raid with you too. Also, communicate to him that you are nervous about pvp, and might struggle with it, let him know you are doing it to spend time with him.
COMMUNICATE, but don't give up just cause something scares you. DO IT ANYWAYS!