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3-02-2012 @ 4:22PM
Meh.... I'm not so sure I'm on board with the anti-vengence thing. Sure there are one or two fights where it was a pain (e.g. Rag) but for the most part I have yet to have an issue. And with the update to Vengence stacking to 50% off the first hit and then slowly ramping up tank swaps are no longer an issue. I tanked Rag the other week and found it insanely easy to keep threat while the other tank was still beating on Rag in full swing with his vengence fully stacked.Having a (un)lucky avoidance streak to start off a fight may be a tad annoying, but honestly I have never once had an issue where one taunt followed by a SotR didn't put me well above the arcane mage that just had 3 crits in a row.If vengence was how it was at the launch of cata, and we didn't receive the 500% increase to threat gen then maybe... MAYBE I could side with you on this, but as it is right now at this very moment I've yet to personally have any problems or hear about friends from other groups having problems with their threat or damage output.
3-02-2012 @ 7:05PM
Your other tank you didn't have trouble keeping aggro from after taunting might be a warrior. They lose access to one of their hard-hitting abilities (Revenge) when not being actively hit, as well as not having rage generation to do much more than Devastate and Shield Slam. In fact, warriors are the only tank that is so completely hamstrung when not being hit, since they can't use Revenge and rarely will have the rage for Heroic Strike as well as losing their vengeance stacks. If you taunt from a bear or DK, and you have no vengeance, that 60k+ Mangle or Death Strike they hit next can put them pretty far ahead in threat. Sometimes on my bear I even have to stop auto-attacking for a few seconds. It's not such a big deal if there's a couple minutes of threat built up, but taunting for that first Impale on Madness, or that first or second tank swap on Ragnaros, if the other tank doesn't stop attacking for a bit they'll probably pull aggro.Also, on H Alysrazor, our tanks even stood in Alysrazor's firestorm to try to keep their vengeance stacks, but I think they said it didn't work. They had to swap in a few dps pieces to lower their avoidance so they could stack vengeance fast enough to kill the birds.
3-02-2012 @ 8:06PM
When I tanked on my pally my buddy would tank on his bear. This is how we did most of 4.2. Now we switched it up. He pally tanks while I bear tank. :p
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