The trials and tribulations of being a raiding roleplayer
There have always been different designations for different aspects of WoW. If you want to fight other players, it's PvP. If you want to fight designed encounters, that's PvE. And if you want to roleplay with other players, that's RP. Three different realm types, each with their own designations, right? There's one other realm type out there, the RP-PvP server, for those who would like to roleplay and fight other players.
But there seems to be a long-held stigma for raiding players that states raiders are not roleplayers, can never be roleplayers, do not understand roleplayers, and therefore do not belong in a roleplaying community. So if you're a raider and you want to RP, how do you go about setting that stigma aside and enjoying your non-raiding time roleplaying? While I may not be able to give a precise answer to that question, I can certainly share my experiences with it.
Yep, I'm a roleplayer. And a raider.

I used to be in a hardcore raiding guild on a PvE server where roleplay didn't exist. When that guild finally died, I decided to start over and roll a character on an RP server. This was vanilla WoW and server transfers were not available yet, so I had to start at level 1. This actually worked in my favor, as later years would reveal. Here's what I learned, as a total noob wandering into the world of roleplay:
- Roleplaying servers vary widely in open-world roleplay. I picked a server that sounded good, without doing a lot of research. However, I'd recommend to anyone choosing to go to a roleplaying server that they roll a low-level alt and head to the nearest capital city. Look around and see how much roleplaying you actually see out in public and whether or not that works for you.
- Starting at level 1 was a blessing in disguise. Why? Because I wasn't running around in full tier gear politely asking for roleplay, I was simply some little schlub level 10 that quite happily matched her gear into eye-pleasing sets rather than going for some optimum set of twink gear. As I discovered in later years, running in with full tier is almost a red flag to other roleplayers that you come from someplace very different in the world and you may not be the roleplayer you profess to be.
- Addons are amazing tools for picking out available roleplayers. Roleplaying addons like FlagRSP, MyRoleplay, or TotalRP are all there so that you can share your character description with the world. But it also allows you to see the descriptions of other roleplayers -- which makes it super easy to identify roleplayers out and about in the city or in the world.
- Saying hello is really, really hard to do. The largest obstacle to roleplaying, it turned out, was myself -- my own shyness. I wasn't really certain if just walking up to someone and saying hello would work or not. I spent hours simply sitting someplace just out of the way of a group gathering and watching them roleplay, observing how they interacted. Needless to say, while I got plenty of entertainment (better than TV!), I didn't really get any roleplay at all.

- One hello is all you need. However, after hours of watching other people roleplay, I started to relax. Obviously, these people expected to be talked to. And my first hello was a random stranger walking down the streets of Stormwind, who made a crack at my character's clothing. I snapped back a well-timed and funny retort, and poof -- just like that, my roleplaying career began.
- Don't over-prepare that first character. My downfall with that particular character was that I spent an awfully long time building up a backstory and a reason for her being in the world. I had a very specific purpose in mind for her journey -- but I hadn't really spent any time thinking about what would happen after that journey was over. By the time I got to her journey's end, I had nothing to do. I had literally written myself into a corner, because I was so earnestly trying to develop her to her fullest extent. That's where I learned one of the most important parts of roleplay.
- Go with the flow. It's great to have a character with a cool backstory and a reason for being in the world, but giving that character just one reason for existence will lock you into that one path. If I had simply relaxed and gone with the flow, interacting with other people and letting their stories steer my story, the experience probably would have gone a lot more smoothly.

After roleplaying a new character in The Burning Crusade on a different RP server, I decided to step back into raiding again. The biggest drawback to raiding and roleplaying is that you have a schedule for raiding activity. If a roleplay event occurs during a time that you're supposed to be raiding, you're going to have to decide -- skip the raiding or skip the roleplaying event. In general, roleplaying events don't really depend on your presence to succeed.
Raiding, on the other hand, is a commitment to 24 other people, and you're letting those people down if you skip the raiding in favor of attending a roleplaying event. It's up to you to make that decision. For me, raiding always came first, because I didn't want to let those 24 people down. But I still wanted to roleplay, so I tried to reconcile raiding with roleplaying. I tried a few different ways to do it, each with their own varying measures of success.
- Schedule roleplay. The easiest method in my eyes was to simply schedule roleplay with other roleplayers in my circle of friends. But it didn't work for my friends, because they had their own roleplay going on while I was off raiding -- and when I was done raiding and ready to roleplay, they were still in the midst of roleplaying with others. I couldn't really fault them for that, nor could I expect them to drop their roleplay and come play with me at my convenience. That's just selfish.
- Make an alt. This actually turned out to be the most successful out of any tactic I'd tried. I rolled an alt on another server and roleplayed with that alt when I had spare time. I didn't tell people I was a raider, I simply roleplayed at my leisure, logged on when I wanted to roleplay, let my character sit in between when I was attending to real-life activities or raiding on my main server.
- Roleplay on a raiding main. I've tried, in varying degrees, to roleplay with my raiding main. I like the character, but the amount of roleplay I've found has been minimal at best. While I can run my roleplaying addon and let it be known I'm open to roleplay, very few people will go out of their way to say hello to a raider, regardless of whether or not they have a roleplaying description available.

And above everything else? Never, ever, ever be afraid to say hello.
Filed under: All the World's a Stage (Roleplaying)






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
Ylspeth Mar 3rd 2012 6:58PM
No slam on you, Anne, but I found your article depressing.
It's a shame people are so judgemental that you cannot roleplay on a toon who raids. It seems self-defeating for the WoW role-playing community to exclude players who actually play the game.
Is it so outrageous to roleplay a character who has actually done something? It seems to me it would be really easy to justify having gear without making it out like you were the sole hero in the world, "Oh, I helped a bit at Wyrmrest Temple. You should have seen the size of those dragons. They were HUGE."
LynMars Mar 3rd 2012 10:35PM
I still see the "Raiders can't be RPers" too mentality FROM CLASSIC WOW at times--because that's where it's still from, years and years later. It's caused issues when people wanted to schedule RP events during guild raid times--or got angry because we were doing for fun RP raids instead of a (honestly boring and non-event) weekly guild meeting.
My solution is to be part of a guild (or guilds) that not only raids but also RPs. We only raid 2 nights a week, we RP before, a bit during, and after raids, we attend the server social events, we RP with each other and random people on other nights. If your guildmates can't be part of or supportive of all of your game activities, why are you there? Also, I know plenty of RPers in non-RP guilds that still get plenty of RP. My server, despite one or two old school hardliners, is very open and welcoming to Raiding RPers for the most part; our walk-up RP is too quiet to NOT be open to any potential RP!
And here's an idea--wear other gear or RP clothing instead of raid tier all the time. What soldier goes to a bar in full uniform and field kit gear? Why would our characters? My priest has a huge assortment of dresses. My paladin may occasionally wear her armor, but usually goes to events in "civvies". There's a built-in outfitter now, use it for RP sets as well as raiding/pvp/dungeon/offspec sets!
Being an RPer means being open to RP and promoting it and supporting it on the server. It has nothing to do with also being a PvPer or being a Raider. It's about being open, friendly, and IC when hanging out at the bank or AH, behind the Cathedral, or even at the raid itself with your pals.
yagamimoon Mar 4th 2012 2:12AM
Well, with transmogrification, it is not so hard to roleplay with high-end gears :)
Just mog into greens, or something more symbolical, and presto :D
marla Mar 4th 2012 7:22AM
Thanks, LynMars.
Although I see the aforementioned "raiders don't RP" mentality talked about quite a bit, I've never seen it really put into practice. Perhaps that's because I'm a part of a circle of RP'ers for whom raiding is a normal activity -- while other RP'ers might find it difficult/daunting to get into a raiding group without sacrificing something?
We need to get out of the mindset that RP and raiding are mutually exclusive. I see this most often pushed forward by RP'ers who can't/don't raid (I remember one, specifically, who practically had a mental block against raiding since it would require them to abandon their "RP" character talent sets/gear). Particularly with the ability to transmog gear and the relative streamlining of the talent sets, it's extremely easy to "wear your RP gear" and have RP-style talents while still being competitive in a PvE sense. At this point, any RPer who falls back on the "I can't be a unique snowflake because of big bad raiding elitists" is just self-sabotaging.
And of course, there are the RP'ers who are just afraid/distrustful of raiding because of the "hardc0re" mentality often attributed to people who raid. They are usually either genuinely shy and/or afraid of being ridiculed for mistakes, or, on the other hand, are resentful towards raiders for enjoying a different part of the game than them.
If this is mostly targeted to naysayers on the RP side, it's because I've historically seen more push-back against raiding on the RP side, while raiders are either tolerant or disinterested in RP. I've been in PvE raiding guilds who, while not being RPers, had a policy of "respecting" RP, and I've been in PvE raiding guilds on non-RP servers who were genuinely amused/entertained by me introducing RP into raids (even starting to play along).
I'm a part of the same RP/raiding group as LynMars and while there are always the naysayers, we have a nice group of RP'ers who also raid (and raiders who sometimes RP) and there's always fun IC chatter going on during raids. You sometimes have to look hard to find groups like ours because they don't usually need to recruit -- we have enough interest via word of mouth - so you have to just sort of "fall" into it. So that can sometimes give the impression that groups like ours don't exist, but in reality, they're there, just hard to find unless you're specifically looking.
J Mar 3rd 2012 7:04PM
Raiders that RP are a rare breed for one core reason.
Raiding requires dedication.
RPers are notoriously fickle/flaky.
I speak solely from my own experience, of course, but I've yet to spend any serious raiding time with an RPer that didn't get distracted as soon as the novelty wore off and continuously failed to keep to any sort of schedule. I have every faith in the world that they do exist, but I've just never had the fortune of meeting one yet. I'd love to!
Ruthar Mar 3rd 2012 7:05PM
Great article, Anne! I completely agree with the shyness factor being so obtrusive - my quiet first days on my first RP server ceased as soon as I opened myself up to other people and actually -engaged- in RP myself.
Elmo Mar 3rd 2012 7:06PM
This is all very true though, its impossible for me to RP on my main shaman who's in a raiding guild and boasts raiding gear.
but on my unguilded alt with a collection of similar coloured greens its much easier.
Ammy Mar 3rd 2012 7:51PM
I makes me wonder, what is it about seeing someone in raid gear that makes an someone not want to rp with them? I also have a similar issue when I try to rp. It seems like people would rather try to interact with someone who is clearly afk than with me.
arawn.chernobog Mar 3rd 2012 7:15PM
I roleplay adventurer characters as PCs are written into lore - my characters are amongst the millions that have banded to defeat the many threats of Azeroth - they have never been the ones to claim the killing bow, but they were there, fighting, they earned their keep in gold and treasure looted from the bowels of Azeroth, and so far I was nothing but complimented in my knowledge of lore and ability to perform amongst roleplayers for I am and have always been one myself.
I come from ye olde days where there was no difference between slaying a Drake and still being a believable adventure character (From the ye olde aeons of Pen and Paper games) - It's sad to state but 'tis true that some people simply will refuse that the game exists at all in any sense of mechanics, graphics or even iteraction for the sake of "roleplaying with the freedom they need", even if such freedom involves completely ignoring lore-developments and in-game occurances - it's a game, not a text forum - you are free to play it as you wish but keep in mind that you have no authority to inforce yourself above others (unless they're breaking the established rules, of course, in which case you can report them).
Is there an opposite extreme to this? Of course, the player that contiously boasts on how "HE/SHE WAS THE ONE TO KILL " - just remember: Nobody can claim to have slain Illidan/Arthas/Deathwing, but those that helped cannot be denyied their status as ADVENTURERS of Azeroth - there are millions of them, faceless, nameless saviors of Azeroth.
Akawaka Mar 3rd 2012 7:20PM
Lovely article as always Anne.
But have you seen the latest episode of MLP: FIM? I ask due to you having such awesome taste in posting it every now and then and the episode had a Tauren, I mean Minotaur, on it and it was all about being assertive.
It just made me think of you and all the other awesome kooky writers at Wowinsider, especially Mr. Rossi with his "beefy" warriors and always stimulating articles. As an intellectual oldish fart myself I always appreciate his and your (not saying you are an oldish fart just myself and Mr. Rossi ;p) articles, they really put a smile on one's face.
:)
Ruta Mar 3rd 2012 7:36PM
I've been on both sides of the equation, I've been the RPer who Raids on the side, and the Raider who RPs on the side. I was an officer in a large RP guild, at the same time, a raider in one of the more successful 25 man groups on the server (hurrah for raiding communities!) Nowadays, I am in a guild of players who are mostly non-RPers, but are mature enough to understand and respect the RP policies and RPers in general. Still in the same raiding community, and there's at least 4 RPers including myself there, and we're making steady progress through HC Dragon Soul (25)
Personally, I never struggled to find a balance. I had X, Y and Z nights dedicated to raiding, every other time was free for RPing, and was able to keep that happy medium. Perhaps that was because I did keep the two as separate entities, as I always carried my PvE Gear with me, and wore my RP gear around town.
The RP Guild I was in when I started raiding is dead, and as previously mentioned, I'm in a non-RP guild, but I pass my story off as retiring from military duty and signing on with a mercenary company. Did I personally help in the killing of the Lich King/Ragnaros/Deathwing? No. Did I assist in the battle to enter Icecrown/Firelands/break the siege of Wyrmrest? Of course. I mean, I can be heroic without being glorious.
But what strikes me most is the venomous attitudes some (and the number is dwindling) of people on the "Only RP" or "Only Raid" camps about the other kind of player. I've had people from "top raiding guilds" of my server tell me "RPers can't raid, you're all a bunch of noobs" and I've had RPers look down on me for raiding (One classic tale was an RPer who ranted at me for a good ten minutes about how using my "The Immortal" title wasn't "Good RP", and I should use an appropriate title. Yeah, how *dare* I be proud of using a title I got during relevant content!) - there's no written law saying you can only do one, or the other. But a good chunk of that wall is starting to break down, especially with raiding becoming more accessible to players these days.
But I agree with Anne, you can do both. You can enjoy both. In fact, there's one guy in my raiding group, he RPs, PvEs and PvPs with one char, and loves doing all three. There's no reason to sit at the table and only eat from one pie, when there's many tasty flavours on the table.
So make mine a slice of RP and slice of PvP.
No custard.
Ruta Mar 3rd 2012 7:41PM
Waiter, take this back. I meant to order a slice of RP and a slice of PvE.
Still no custard.
Rai Mar 3rd 2012 8:24PM
I raid, RP and PvP. If an RP event is going on when a guild raid is scheduled (I lead a social PvE guild) then I'll just go to the raid.
One advantage of being in a PvE guild while roleplaying is that people don't meta-game and make assumptions about your character. If your character isn't wearing a tabard, even better.
Moeru Mar 3rd 2012 8:36PM
I used to try to juggle both until I realized that most RP on my realm is made up of 'Let's sit around and talk about how awesome we are' or 'I'm in love with this guy, we're getting married
Moeru Mar 3rd 2012 8:38PM
Well for some reason the comment for cut off...here's the rest:
...married' instead of going out and actually developing a storyline or some user-made quests.
Would be nice to be able to roleplay while doing raids and dungeons, but everyone is go go go go go when it comes to PvE, so I've yet to find people willing to RP that stuff out.
LynMars Mar 4th 2012 12:48AM
I sometimes wonder if the prevalence of romantic RP is partially due to the built-in amount of dangerous, world-saving storylines in WoW, leaving many players feeling romance is one of the few options left where they sorta have control? Also, it just makes for interesting dynamics and drama.
It's not just lonely singles looking to translate IC romance into OOC hookups, either; I know people in relationships--even married--who end up (intentionally or unintentionally) with characters in relationships due to just how RP itself plays out. it's one of those "just play the character and see what happens" things.
I do dislike the "SOLE SAVIOR AND KILLER OF THE BIG BAD" claims in the guys who sit around being the biggest badass to ever badass; I like being part of the defenders/assault group/was there/etc, but it's an amorphous multi-faction effort.
I've been lucky to find guilds that like to RP and raid together. I've yet to have them not be cool with "hey hold up a sec guys for some RP before this next pull!" Because we all RP as well as PvE; different levels, different amounts, etc, but everyone's cool about it.
marla Mar 4th 2012 7:22AM
Are you talking about how people often RP mundane, ordinary life things (hanging out, relationships, family drama) rather than BIGGER THAN LIFE plot-lines?
LynMars has it pretty much correct, imo. Azeroth is full of enough GRAND stories that it's often difficult, or even tiresome, to make your character a part of big/grandiose plot-lines.
My character is a baker and it's incredibly ordinary -- errands, chores, making deliveries. She has enough "BIG" stuff that she participates in on a regular basis (built-in Azeroth storylines via dailies, raids/dungeons) that it seems more normal for her to just be attempting to live a regular life in the midst of all of that. So, I spend more time focusing on her personal struggles, relationships, etc. That isn't to say that she doesn't participate in BIG storylines when necessary -- it's just not something I seek out. I think that she is an extremely well-rounded, believable character in what is often a larger-than-life world, and I think my focus on "boring/normal" stuff whether it's romantic RP or just daily life RP is what contributes to that.
Luke Mar 3rd 2012 10:24PM
I have a love hate relationship with pop culture, but I've always loved that Ulduar parody. Hell I didn't even hear the original song until well after that machinima came out.
While most players seem to have a preference I'm sure there are plenty of players that enjoy all aspects of game play. I'm one of those people. I'll get in raiding when I can, and the same is true for rp and pvp. Since my playstyle fluctuates when I can't put aside time for rp or raiding I'll focus mainly on pvp and playing the auction house.
yeochris Mar 4th 2012 8:33AM
I just have to say great video one of the best i have seen.. I don't RP so i can't comment on that..
Luotian Mar 4th 2012 9:57AM
You know, I wonder if you could do a casual-raiding guild where you raided IC...it would be difficult, but I imagine not impossible...hm...