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3-05-2012 @ 3:08PM
As a returning player who didn't really get into heroics first time around even then. My ilvl is 337. I'm looking at these 377 pvp items and thinking surely even with the wasted resilience I'm still going to get some benefit. Every party of me is screaming out "nooooooooo!!!!!" though.
3-05-2012 @ 3:19PM
I think this gets into the heart of the problem. It's not that people (well, not all of them) are trying to scam the system. It's that when you have access to PvP gear, it does have higher stats that are attractive. So upgrading from a lower piece of PvE gear to PvP gear can boost all your stats, not just your resilience. I understand when people get touchy about PuGs being made up of people in PvP gear, but if you're not a raider, or haven't been lucky with drops, sometimes that few pieces of PvP gear really ARE better than any PvE gear that someone has access to.As for being full PvP and trying to see raids... I feel the pain now. I used to be solely PvE, but have recently ventured into PvP healing on my new shaman. I leveled her through PvE, but when I hit 85, I concentrated on PvPing with her. So now she's fully decked out in PvP gear, but hasn't seen any of the Cata raids. I'd love to take her in there, but I'm scared of the hate that will be thrown my way because I'm "scamming the system".
3-05-2012 @ 3:27PM
@Jamie: the 377 gear will be MUCH better across the board than 333/346 stuff. Don't let the snobs scare you off. They don't know what they are talking about.
3-05-2012 @ 3:37PM
- "@Jamie: the 377 gear will be MUCH better across the board than 333/346 stuff. Don't let the snobs scare you off. They don't know what they are talking about."Last i checked, Jamie's toon is a tank and unless you're a Bear, I'd have to disagree. Plate tanks rely too heavily on the secondary stats like Dodge, Parry and Mastery to be a viable option. Bears can get away with it because their primary stat (by far) is Agility and there is loads of it on PvP gear. All a plate tank is getting out of PvP gear (unless it has Mastery on it) is extra health and we moved away from Stam stacking a while ago. DPS and, to a lesser extent, healers mostly look at things like Int, Strength and Agility which isn't affected by the presence of Resilience on an item, so it's not as detrimental to their performance as it is for a tank.
3-05-2012 @ 4:52PM
Where does Jamie specify tank?
3-05-2012 @ 5:22PM
@clundgren Jamie mentioned being a tank in The Queue earlier, when he asked a similar question.@Jamie As a plate tank, you should be fine with PvP gear that comes with a chunk of Mastery - so gauntlets, belt and helm, I guess.
3-05-2012 @ 5:23PM
Revynn: "Bears can get away with it because their primary stat (by far) is Agility " inb4 agi bears are lolSeriously though, we had our bear tank baleroc with dodge gems in everything. Ate more decimations than my healers care to think about. Once it was on farm and he didn't have to regem for the fight, his survivability didn't decrease with the stam prioritization that bears excel with for every other fight (larger absorbs, etc).Yes stam is more prevalent on gear with more item levels, yes this post is off topic, yes knowledge is power.
3-05-2012 @ 5:27PM
I did a Wowhead comparison of the 377 crafted PvP set and the same set of slots for 346 PvE for a resto druid, assuming the druid would not have best in slot for every slot. Gemmed and reforged, the 377 is slightly worse by the default weight scale. The big differences are weighing 556 Int against 108 Spi and 834 haste.http://tinyurl.com/77vqzsd
3-05-2012 @ 5:38PM
Just sim it and see what gear comes out better. I'm going 10:1 on the 377 PvP gear over the 333 PvE gear.
3-05-2012 @ 11:26PM
For most classes, 1 "pure" stat (STR, AGI, etc) is worth around 4 DPS (VERY ROUGHLY).1 "secondary" stat (crit, haste, etc) is worth around 1.2-1.6 DPS.Do the math. If you can get more pure stat out of a PVP gear than a significantly weaker PVE gear, then just go for it. Hell, some classes' secondary stats are so worthless (I'm looking at you, ret pallies and enhancement shamans), as long as you cover their ONE good secondary stat (mastery for both), it's not MUCH of a loss to just take resil in its place.I'm only mentioning DPS because someone who's done NOTHING but PVP shouldn't try tanking. Ever.On to the main issue, PVE gear can't be of much use outside of unranked BGs, just as PVP gear won't be of much use outside of basic 5-mans. I'd say the system is fairly balanced, but I'm guessing the article is asking if the wall should be brought down.
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