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3-08-2012 @ 2:51PM
Quite a bit of moonkin hate for an all-druid guild. Moonkins have been okay in cataclysm, better for AoE fights versus single-target. I'd imagine they'd have an easier go of it against madness as opposed to ultraxion.
3-08-2012 @ 4:47PM
I think they are speaking from experience and after suffering many wipes. I doubt hate is a good word to throw around in an all-druid guild. After all, it takes a lot of effort and commitment to achieve something like clearing DS with one class.This hate many posters speak of is mistaken for opinion. Just because someone doesn't have the same opinion as you about something, doesn't necessarily mean they hate that particular thing. I think we have enough polarization in the media, we should stop spreading it on-line.
3-08-2012 @ 5:15PM
"Moonkins are overall a weak DPS class"An opinion can show bias... pretty biased statement by the interviewee imo. Especially considering the following evidence:http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Balance druids 6th out of 22 dps specs for the last 60 days of raid parses. Balance also wasn't too shabby in t11 or t12. Maybe they get hit harder by not having a 5% crit debuff or a 6% or 10% SP debuff, but his opinion appears contrary to the overall evidence that shows that, on whole, Moonkin are NOT a weak DPS class. Therefore I conclude that Monsterbaby chugged a gallon of haterade while ingesting a heaping portion of hater tots in making that statement.
3-08-2012 @ 6:26PM
Agree with Res. There didn't seem to be anything particularly hateful about Monster's remark or words - he's speaking from personal experience, not a comparison of logs.I would also take your "evidence" with a grain of salt as I'm guessing all or a lot of those ranking druids are in possession of a legendary as well as heroic gear. I imagine it would be difficult for an all-druid 10-man guild to have acquired more than one legendary at this point.
3-09-2012 @ 1:43AM
Does Dragonwrath effect Moonkin in greater value than all 3 warlock specs, elemental shaman, and arcane mages? Because Moonkin are considerably higher than all 3 of them based on that chart (only under fire mages and shadow priests).My guess is that his view is skewed by low moonkin dps either because of the lack of buff/debuff, or by the fact that moonkin, while great on multi-target encounters, are more middle-of-the-road on single-target.
3-09-2012 @ 2:43AM
I just don't see the "hate" or get any negativity from his remarks, at all. To me, this druid speaks from his experience - their moonkins are not going to be putting out numbers, legendary or no, like other casters. Not only do they likely not have three/four legendaries, but they don't have any other class buffs except druid buffs; that means no 3% damage increase, 6/10% spell power, and no 30% haste from hero - unlike all of the druids who ranked in your link.
3-09-2012 @ 8:18AM
I sort of felt some negativity towards moonkin here as well. I think moonkin single target is really based on player skill. As someone who has played balance since Vanilla and raided in BC, Wrath, and now Cata I can say I have never had trouble with being at the top of the meters. Recently (before the team fell apart) I was running DS 10 man with my guild team. No crit buff no Dark Intent and I have no legendary and I had no trouble being number 1 on the meters on fights like Morchok and Zannoz which have no multi targeting.I think the issue with most players concept of moonkin "bad" single target comes from moonkin that don't maximize the output of the rotation. There are a lot of subtleties and choices that go into making the most out of the eclipse system. It differs from a lot of other classes "push this naow" rotations.But as pyro points out the interviewee makes light of moonkin dps not being great in response to more than one question. Not necessarily hate, but definitely not to happy with the numbers put out by their moonkin.
3-11-2012 @ 12:52PM
Pyro, you're taking all that reference data and putting it here as proof, but you're also forgetting that it's data about normal raid groups, with all buffs and hopefully all the classes that cover for each other weaknesses.In an all-druid group this is very different, and all that data is worth nothing. They have all the reasons to say that moonkins [by themselves] are pretty weak.
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