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3-13-2012 @ 11:19AM
Q4TQ:Do you think it's possible that Thrall's unborn child has some kind of right to Horde leadership and that it might present a future (I'm talking way in the future) threat to Garrosh's leadership (assuming that Garrosh is still there by the time the child is of age)? I know it's a bit out there, but I'm so curious as to the purpose of Thrall's future child lore-wise.
3-13-2012 @ 11:50AM
That depends on the structure of the Horde. They seem to follow orcish norms, and don't concern themselves with primogeniture. Warchief seems to require some sort of acclamation or at least popular support; a chief who can't get any warriors to follow him isn't much of a chief. So, it's unlikely that Baby Thrall will wind up automatically becoming Warchief.That being said, he or she may well wind up as a threat to whomever is in power at the time he or she hits maturity, as he or she will still be the first child of a beloved former Warchief. Even if Junior doesn't set out for political power, followers may appear and try and thrust it upon him or her.Even worse, the then-current Warchief might see Junior as a threat and Do Something to ensure that Junior doesn't develop into a threat.
3-13-2012 @ 11:37AM
Thrall's heir couldn't be made Warchief because at the moment, Thrall has no claim to the leadership of the Horde--he abandoned it in its entirety so that he could focus on being a shaman ("you can be Warchief or World Shaman, you cannot be both," and all that).That said, Thrall has strong ties to the current leadership of the Horde--most would like him to take command over Garrosh, so it wouldn't surprise me to see him make it back in one day... but as for orc loyalties...As it stands now, Garrosh is active Warchief. And seeing how loyal the orc side of the Horde is to Garrosh now, it wouldn't surprise me that for Thrall to come back, and him expecting to take back the reins with no hassle, that he would then have to take it back by force to prevent Garrosh from doing something stupid (probably with the help of Vol'jin).At that point, when and if Thrall takes up the mantle of Warchief again and marginalizes his duty as a shaman again, he can pass the Warchief mantle to his son just as he had to Garrosh previously.
3-13-2012 @ 12:00PM
None of the Horde warchiefs have ever been even remotely related to each other, as far as we know. Not to say that it couldn't happen, but if it did happen nobody would think that it was because of some "right" to rule. Hereditary monarchy just isn't a concept in orc culture.
3-13-2012 @ 12:34PM
The Horde is, weirdly, more democratic than the Alliance. Thrall's child aiming to be Warchief would be kind of parallel to a Kennedy or a Bush trying to become President.
3-13-2012 @ 12:39PM
Something else to keep in mind: despite Thrall being the son of Durotan I've never heard anything about him ever being in line to lead the Frostwolves; for that matter, despite the Horde fortress in Borean Tundra having the name Warsong Hold, I've not heard that Garrosh inherited his father's title as chief of the Warsong Clan. Admittedly, it certainly seems that the individual clans are much less important in the modern Horde than they were before the end of the Second War.How much of that is accurate and how much of that is because the Horde already has enough sub-factions split along racial lines that the game writers just can't be bothered to detail the modern orc clans? No idea.
3-13-2012 @ 12:53PM
Personally I think its more of a "might makes right" kind of thing, so I see it being a long day before Garrosh loses his claim (unlike the wussy Thrall who just gave it up).
3-13-2012 @ 2:53PM
Garrosh wouldn't let his honor betray him to the point that he would Do Something™. No orc would go that far without demon blood involved. The unhonorable things orcs do enact are all to other races. If he did, he would lose his status as Warchief pretty quick.Anyways, I have a bet that Thrall's child will be a girl. If it is a boy, then Blizz very likely does want him to play an important role (Blizz has failed at female lore characters in WoW, so why should this change now?). Also, I have a bet that regardless of gender, Garrosh and Zaela will hook up and have a child of the other gender to bring those together as a real leadership.Then again, there is the chance that we will see That Guy who is Deus ex about the Guardians of Tirisfal involved with this child and that role has a possibility.Regardless, the leadership of the Horde is an honorable role and one orcs must rediscover or they lose their place as the not-so-bad bad guys. As such, it has always fallen to the orc that best represents the values of the Horde as the orcs see it and is not hereditary. Either Garrosh will continue to discover the old ways or he will be replaced.
3-13-2012 @ 2:58PM
It will be interesting to see where Blizz goes with the story, but having Thrall's kid become warchief seems like kind of an easy way out story-wise. I really hope Thrall is able to fade into the background and experience some peace and happiness raising his family somewhere away from the current conflicts (Nagrand, maybe?). While the title is an honor, Thrall knows as well as anyone what a burden it is and I imagine we'll see his child follow a very different path, although I will not be surprised at all to see the child rise to significance in some facility.Still (and this is the wildest of speculation), I can't quite shake the thought that Thrall suddenly has more than ever to lose personally now. His rage has been shown before in the Elemental Bonds quest line, and while he was able to conquer it at the time it's hard to imagine what fallout might ensue from Aggra and their child being killed in some Alliance/Horde crossfire, particularly if the conflict was a result of Garrosh's reckless bloodlust. Blizzard does seem to enjoy the fallen/corrupted hero trope and it's hard to imagine a more gut-wrenching example than to see Thrall fall to darkness (Death-thrall as a big bad 2 xpacs from now, anyone? God I hope not!).
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