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3-19-2012 @ 10:49PM
"so we want to make sure we give the devs time to iterate and explore and try to figure out what's going to make this game great, and going to make the expansion great, because that's a core philosophy at Blizzard."I admire their ability to still say that with a straight face after Cataclysm.
3-20-2012 @ 2:55AM
Al,People like you make me shake my head. You have a terrible memory of what things were like before the expansion. Most of Cata's work was redoing the entire vanilla world, add new quests.. 100's and 100's, create 2 new playable races with new zones and still create the new zones, raids and dungeons for higher levels.Sorry, but I do not call people names much, but you sir a freaking jerk who does not appreciate hard work.
3-20-2012 @ 3:19AM
Archaelogy.Storylines they didn't try to wrap up and/or explain (Gilneas, Al'Akir's motivation, Neptulon's fate, Malfurion's return, Alliance Twilight Highlands intro, Southshore, Andorhal and Stonard retreats, Uldum magically moving from a cave to a world zone).The "Epic Thrall questline" of getting ported around and farming elementals.The "Who wants to see old-world NPCs return when we can make TV references" approach.Forcing everyone into cities even more.Awful, awful rail-roading.Ramping up the "buy our books to know why anything happened off-screen" tie-ins.Maybe I'm a grouch from the 2600 generation, but I prefer a late release with polish to rush-jobs (Dragon Age 2, I'm looking at you). Especially when they really should have done the revamp and the expansion separately for breathing space and better quality control. The whole thing was a giant falling from their "when it's done" mantra, and I just can't view it as something that was given the necessary time to make it work.
3-20-2012 @ 4:20AM
Sorry, but I'm going to have to agree with Al's second comment in this thread. I FULLY recognize the hard work Blizard put in to the revamp (even if I didn't always like some of the choices they made), but that revamp was NOT part of the expansion. We didn't pay $30-60 for the revamp -- the revamp was available to EVERYONE before the expansion even hit. The revamp was a massive content update for everyone, including people who were playing free-trials. I'd argue that our monthly subscription paid for that. And, to be fair, they DIDN'T completely overhaul the entire 1-60 game-world (Arathi Highland and Silithus and Deadwind Pass leap immediately to mind, as does the lack of phasing in Dustwallow). What they DID get to was frequently amazing, but that's not what we were paying for when we bought "Cataclysm".The expansion we were given, the expansion we PAID for, was lackluster. Five levels of content (which I, as a super-casual player, finished in less than two months), five new zones (one wasted for the Alliance and the other wasted on a giant neutral pop-culture reference), two recycled Zul dungeons, etc. Blizzard even admitted that the expansion we paid for had several points which were slapdash (the Worgen post-Gilneas experience and the Alliance intro to Twilight Highlands, for instance) and decided they didn't need to give us what we were promised -- ie: what they'd sold us -- in the form of the Abyssal Maw/Neptulon's fate because they didn't feel like working on it anymore. They forgot to explain why Alexstrazsa and Nozdormu were suddenly present for Thrall's Quest, even though one was supposed to be near-death and convalescing and the other missing for years (seriously, NO-ONE in that scene reacts to Nozdormu's SUDDEN AND UNEXPLAINED return?), then treated everyone to a long quest about how awesome Thrall was and how we should all love him and how he's the best thing since sliced bread and oh goodie we got to witness his wedding! But they didn't bother to explain why Alliance characters should care about any of this. Wrath & BC had their problems, but those expansions were both breathtaking in scope and execution. "Cataclysm" as an expansion -- "Cataclysm" as a product sold to us and distinct from the 1-60 universal free update -- was a huge disappointment.
3-20-2012 @ 9:35AM
"We didn't pay $30-60 for the revamp -- the revamp was available to EVERYONE before the expansion even hit. The revamp was a massive content update for everyone, including people who were playing free-trials. I'd argue that our monthly subscription paid for that."You must have selective memory when it comes to what comes with an expansion then. Because along the same lines changes to the talent system are also just regular pre-expansion updates (new systems have always come pre-expansion). Even some profession-related things. You needed Wrath if you wanted to level up a scribe, but if you didn't have Wrath it did not preclude you from being able to purchase/use the Glyph system. Just because it is content that you don't value, doesn't mean that it isn't valuable to many other players out there.
3-20-2012 @ 9:50AM
Andres, Nozdormu's return was explained in Twilight of the Aspects, as well as the aspects' short story, which was released a little time before (?) 4.3. Little nitpick there, but the info on him has been out there for some time.
3-20-2012 @ 11:32AM
Al said: > "Ramping up the "buy our books to know why anything happened off-screen" tie-ins."Andres pointed out examples. byronius_prime said: > "Nozdormu's return was explained in Twilight of the Aspects, as well as the aspects' short story...THIS is the thing that ANNOYED the hell out of me most of all with Cataclysm. Not even to get the whole story, but to even understand the scattered quests and storylines that were given to us in game (*that we paid for*) -- we had to purchase tie-in merchandise. I wish some of the WoW/gaming news outfits would have pressed some of the tougher questions rather than the usual softball questions, but... ya know, they want to get invited back next time.
3-20-2012 @ 6:13PM
"Just because it is content that you don't value, doesn't mean that it isn't valuable to many other players out there."I didn't say I didn't value it. In fact, if you read what i ACTUALLY SAID, I said i thought it was "frequently amazing." I LOVED much of the 1-60 update.And yes, we got those pre-expansion content updates for BC & Wrath, but we also got far more content in the expansions proper than we did for "Cataclysm". The talent updates and Inscription weren't the centerpieces of BC or Wrath; they weren't the bulk of the expansions. They were fun additional add-ons made to improve the quality of game-life for everyone. This past expansion had less expansion content (as well as more half-assed things). And as noted above, Nozdormu and the Lifebinder both reappear without explanation in the game. The game we paid for. THE GAME WE PAY FOR EVERY MONTH. It really doesn't seem like we should be forced to buy extraneous media just to find out what's going on in the game we're paying for.
3-21-2012 @ 6:36PM
Further "Cata" fails:1) The Horde openly commits atrocities against Druids/Cenarion Circle (Stonetalon Peak, anyone?); the Horde also openly slaughters Night Elf civilians, conquers their lands & desecrates their sacred forests. Meanwhile, the Cenarion Circle becomes a huge part of the story and a major faction. Neither side even acknowledges what the Horde has done. No grumbling, no sense of distrust, no promises of future reckonings. Nothing.2) Malfurion is co-regent of Darnassus (status 1) & co-regent of the Cenarion Circle (status 2). Despite status 1, in his capacity as status 2 he's happy to work with the same people who are slaughtering his people, conquering his lands & desecrating his sacred forest all while butchering his fellow druids. 3) Malfurion shows up at Thrall & Aggra's wedding. He brings Tyrande in tow. Neither mentions what Thrall's people, led by the successor Thrall personally chose, are doing to the Night Elves. Ysera, guardian of the Emerald Dream & patroness of druids & Night Elves, also attends but says nothing about what Thrall's people & chosen successor have done to the natural world or her followers. The hero (us), who has also witnessed/participated in many of the Horde atrocities, also smiles politely and twiddles his thumbs.4) The Zul rehashes, while fun, ended abruptly and without explanation. Despite the lead-up machinima, the arrival of Troll emissaries in the two capitals, and the intro quests, there's not even so much as a "I'll get you next time, Gadget! NEXT TIME!" once you finish the quests. Many players wound up convinced that those two dungeons were the entire Zandalari effort to reunite the tribes & reconquer the world; it's hard to blame those players, since Blizzard didn't really put anything into the game to indicate otherwise.5) Blizzard touted the epic-yielding quality of Archaeology, but included only epic items which were outdated by the time of the first major content patch, and which were entirely dependent on the RNG; no further items of any quality were added throughout the expansion. Chime in with your own!
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