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3-21-2012 @ 3:18AM
"Dhohohoho, that's cute. Calling it a retcon because that seems to bolster your argument."Nope, it was a huge retcon, previously it was established lore before the comic decided to scrub away one of Varian's most significant misdeeds."We never knew the details of what happened between the Stonemasons and the House of Nobels. In the comic we found out that Onyxia engineered the dispute by mentally coercing both sides into becoming more greedily and unwilling to compromise."We surely did, again, this was all established long before the comic, being I'm a Lorekeeper and was editing articles long before that crap came out I should know, before "loldragonsdidit" the nobles refused to PAY period and tossed the workers out, leading to revolts and attempts to coerce the leadership into betraying them - VanCleef refused."Not a retcon. Canon. Deal with it."You have an extremely poor understanding of lore."Being "appalled" doesn't let Thrall off the hook here."No, it would be the part where he was ignorant of it, not the part where he was apalled that lets him off the hook, Garrosh knew and let it continue, Thrall took steps to thwart it."He was Warchief at the time, meaning he has unlimited authority and power over the Horde. Guess what, with unlimited authority comes the unfortunate fact that ultimate responsibilty rests with same. Thrall is entirely at fault for what happened in Undercity during his reign."Cool, the person who knew nothing of what another nation was doing is 100% responsible for what they did, awesome logic, high five."Actually the Kor'kron permit the experimentation to continue. There's even still people kept in cages. Go on down to the apothecarium and see. Rather strengthes Varian's position."That's in-game, the lore ended those experiments, don't equate dev team laziness or lack of resources with Thrall being complicit, and you can stop shining Varian's boots at any point in this discussion."Varian didn't need to step in, genius, General Hawthorne already had the perpetrators who broke ranks arrested."...No, he didn't, in fact the one who urged the General to perpetrate the act in the first place was his second in command, what happened is the troops didn't care to restrain themselves - and they went unpunished for it, even continuing to chase down the Tauren, to the point that many fled into dangerous oasis areas. The General's opinion was these things were "unfortunate" and he eventually sends you to interfere with the murder and looting."Yes, it did. If you're willing to use your brain. I realize this might be hard for some people. Major Samuelson was a twilight agent inside Stormwind Keep, and during the Highlands intro we find out he's manipulating SI:7."No, we don't, we find out he's manipulating the city guard and various other localized elements of Stormwind's kingdom, we actually pair up with SI:7 to further investigate him."Who does Samuelson work for? The Black Bishop, a high-level Twilight agent in the cathedral."Some dude, right."Who was the Black Bishop originally meant to be, and who did all members of the cult pay obey as Twilight Father?*drumroll*Benedictus."...No, the Black Bishop is just an agent, the Twilight Father was cemented long before this quest was added and was always intended to be Benedictus, your fabrications don't work on a Lorekeeper, pal."I've barely said a word about Garrosh for this whole debate, are you even reading my posts? Or are you just so urgent to defend your video game leader that you'll scream anything at the "other side" you can think of to make yourself look better?"You're attempting to elevate your leader above theirs by miscasting his deeds and mistakes as the machinations of others, even going so far as to embrace a blatant retcon in hopes of casting him in a positive light, I've already stated my opinion of each and have maxed characters on both sides, I recognize the flaws of each side - you, on the other hand, have got me beat on the urgent apologist platform."Take a chill pill."Leave, you've lost the argument, be mature and move on.
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