Drama Mamas: The love triangle strikes again
The lovelorn player who's fallen in love with someone in an existing real-world relationship -- it's almost a cliché, it's so common. It would be all too easy for us to tut-tut with a gentle chuckle and a weary shake of the head, but the pain and confusion in these situations is never sharper or fresher than to those who find themselves there.
The Drama Mamas have addressed this situation before, albeit from another perspective, although the form of the letter and our reply themselves unfortunately may have stolen some of the thunder of that previous message. We'd like to revisit that reply again this week -- but first, of course, this week's letter:
Dear Drama Mamas,
I have read your column for a long time and always read about people having their heartbroken and relationships ruined due to their cheating significant other. This time, I am the other woman.
I have played WoW since release and have never been interested in anyone online. I've been on and off with the same man since then and the relationship (when it's happening) is fairly broken. We both aren't willing to put in the effort to fix it, so we just let it be. Recently, I've met the most amazing person I have ever known, through WoW.
Lets make things more complicated! He's engaged, he lives with her, he loves her but feels he's not happy nor is she right for him.
As with all the articles you have answered about this it started the same: innocent, friendly, flirty, and fun. It's now formed into a fairly deep affair. I'm 23 and he's 25, so I felt I was emotionally and mentally mature enough to handle the situation, but I was wrong. Our attraction and pull towards each other was instant, intense, and one of the most real things I have ever felt. The things he should be feeling for her, he feels for me. The time he should be spending nurturing their relationship he spends with me. The nights he should be laying in her arms he's dreaming about being in mine.
We have discussed the situation, and while he admits it's not the best, and on the verge of being wrong, it's not cheating. He says if they split up it would not be due to me, but their relationship is volatile and unhealthy and I feel it's due to him no longer feeling the need to try due to me. He recently told me he loved me but is going to keep working on it with her until he knows for sure it can't be fixed. He "knows it's the right thing to do". I've told him even they break up, we can't be together for a bit until he's sure it's not a knee jerk choice. He claims he hasn't been happy in a long time.
I have read what the other women and men have gone through when their love finds love in someone else. I have considered dropping all contact with him to give us both time to move on but I feel too deep into it now. I don't want him to leave her, but I don't want to give up what we have either. I love him.
I honestly have no idea what to do at this point. I know what I should do, but I also know it's not that simple. I feel horrible for his fiances situation, but I don't want to give up mine. Is it time to put my big girl face on and accept online cheating is cheating and move on, or is there any way to salvage this wreck? Am I a complete fool and both me and her are just being played? She was there 1st, but that doesn't mean she's the right person for him. I hate what I'm doing to this girl even if I don't know her. I also can't imagine being without him. I feel there is no happy ending in sight for anyone.
The Other Woman
Remember the Troubled Tank who overpulled his love life? At the time, many of our readers seemed to have trouble getting past the roleplayed approach of the original letter and our response. Our advice, however, still stands.
So with another love triangle on our doorstep, we offer up again an ever-so-lightly edited version of that reply. (And if you can't take the roleplay-tinged angle ... Forsooth! Begone with you!)
Do not mock your misgivings, Other Woman, for you have obviously made several accurate assessments of this encounter. A few observations are in order, however, regarding the strategies you've chosen to apply.
"He recently told me he loved me but is going to keep working on it with her until he knows for sure it can't be fixed." This situation, Other Woman, is called evade mode. You've engaged the boss, yet he's hung in place, bugged out, and none of the raiders can actually engage with him. This is clearly an exploit of this encounter. Positioning is everything. This is not a trash mob, and your willingness to leave the boss hung in an untargetable position is simply inexcusable. Get this mob off evade mode and take him down, or drop aggro and move on.
"He says if they split up it would not be due to me, but their relationship is volatile and unhealthy and I feel it's due to him no longer feeling the need to try due to me." No encounter is as exciting on the 300th run. Your companion simply finds it more appealing to run out and loot new gear -- you -- than repairing and reforging current gear that he's nonetheless unwilling to part with. He can't wear it all. Nonetheless, the choice stands clearly before him.
"He claims he hasn't been happy in a long time." Even Lady Vashj appears beautiful before the first casts of Entangle and Shock Blast. It's all about proximity. His perspective would change considerably if you two were the ones who were living together each and every day.
"I have read what the other women and men have gone through when their love finds love in someone else. I have considered dropping all contact with him to give us both time to move on but I feel too deep into it now." An appalling lack of crowd control. Nobody said it would be easy. Call in an addon if you need help, but get the job done.
"He recently told me he loved me but is going to keep working on it with her until he knows for sure it can't be fixed." Why not? Loot and XP from two mobs is better than one, right? /sarcasm off
Other Woman, I'll be frank. You know what's right and what's wrong. It's time to engage with what's actually in front of you right now: a man who's stringing you along while he continues to enjoy his real-world relationship. You're going to have to turn off the virtual entertainment -- definitely this long-distance flirtation, and probably gaming as a whole for a time, to give yourself a breather. If this is truly real, he'll be back for you once he takes care of his business. His current relationship will stand or fall on its own merit, but you cannot afford to devote yourself to a man who won't commit. Good luck prioritizing it all, but I suspect you'll be just fine. I think you already know what to do.
Just be warned: if he's cheating on his current girlfriend with you, then he is very likely to cheat on you with someone new and shiny.
And let's be clear: Online cheating is still cheating. If you were engaged and found handwritten loveletters from your partner or caught him having phone sex -- wouldn't you consider that cheating? How is having an affair via text in a game any different? He has said he loves you. How could telling another woman he loves her be anything but cheating? His rationalization that your relationship is only on the verge of being wrong is hogwash, malarkey, bullpoop.
If he decides that his relationship is really worth saving, then you have to step away for your own good. He's not worth it. Transfer characters, leave the game, or do whatever you have to do to cut off all contact with him. Then be happy in your solitude until you find someone worthy of your love.
Filed under: Analysis / Opinion, Drama Mamas






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 4)
malaika Mar 20th 2012 5:19PM
@ Drama Mana Lisa: Pure Epic Win! Please write all future columns like that and you will have a reader for life!
Martin Mar 21st 2012 12:18AM
To each their own, but I couldn't really stand to read it, and skipped to Robin's advice. Not going to slam her or anything, just not my cup of tea.
JattTheRogue Mar 21st 2012 1:00AM
Yup, agree with Martin. I could barely get two sentences into the reply before moving on. Just because it happened in a video game doesn't mean it needs to be related to a video game.
Solitha Mar 21st 2012 2:21AM
Jatt and Martin, you need to actually read the original column from/to Troubled Tank to see the context from which the RP replies are drawn.
vegemite Mar 21st 2012 3:06AM
@Jatt and@Martin
and just because its a real world scenario doesnt mean you can't respond in a alternative fashion when someone asks for advice on a video game website.
and @the "other woman" move on from that deadbeat, im a guy and guys who do that are worthless and will never change.
eel5pe Mar 21st 2012 10:32AM
Honestly for me it's not so much that it's RP or written from a video game perspective as that it's poorly written. If you read the original letter in "Overpull" that's written in that style he's raining allusions like... rain... but you always know exactly what he's talking about. His metaphors work, and he's quite eloquent. The Drama Mama's advice in those columns, written in the same style, is a bit more clunky (nothing to be ashamed of, as obviously they've had less practice than "Overpull" does) but it's still readable. I'm trying to read Lisa's advice in this column and half the time I'm not sure exactly what she's talking about. "Call in an addon if you need help"... what? I don't think I've ever "call(ed) in an addon" in WoW, and I'm not entirely sure what it's supposed to mean in RL terms either.
Dareasha Mar 20th 2012 5:19PM
Allow me to be the voice of reason -- its so easy to tell yourself "But this is different than.." It's not.
Until he actually leaves his gf/fiance/wife/whatever .. they are together. You don't know what the degree of their together is.. you only have his version of reality.
The married guy I was seeing who was (supposedly) only living with his woman till they could sort out stuff with kids and home would bitch his wife did nothing but lie on the couch. What he didn't mention was his wife had had huge major surgery the week before!
Put your foot down. I care about you and because of that, I clear the field until you get your current situation sorted out. Go play on another server for a while, or switch sides, or just remove him from RealID and play alts. He'll probably be all beggy/want you back for a couple of weeks and then disappear.
Sad to say.
Pyromelter Mar 20th 2012 7:37PM
I'll add a couple of more perspectives on this.
Some people will get a new gf or bf before breaking up with their current one, because maybe they really are done with their current gf/bf, but they prefer to set up a new relationship before leaving the old one.
I've never done this, but I've had the women in my life do this to me, from both angles.
Now the thing is, it's not necessarily a terrible thing from your perspective. Is it amoral to pull a Scott Pilgrim and start dating Ramona before breaking it off with Knives? That's for each person to decide, but it's a grey area, if you've ever watched Scott Pilgirm Versus The World. And if you haven't, you should, it's a freaking awesome movie with a ton of video game references.
HOWEVER, the one thing that happens in all of those situations, is that the other person does not know about the past relationship. Ramona doesn't know that Knives is with Scott when they meet. The girl I was dating, I didn't know that she was still living with her bf when I started dating her. And the girl I was in love with that met another guy, she didn't tell him about me, either. This is a normal protective mechanism for this type of dating style.
Regarding the situation as described above, I think the real red flag is that the boy in this case has told you he's engaged, and talks about his ex with you. Anyone I've ever known that was truly unhappy and "done" with a relationship, they really don't like talking about their ex (or soon to be ex). They're over it. And the fact that he's talking about making it work with her?
I know it might sound odd, but it's actually better if someone starts dating you, and has a significant other, if they hide that from you. I've actually seen quite a few relationships start in the Scott Pilgrim type way, and have them work out to be really great. The thing is, they do what Scott did - they dumped the ex and walked off into the moonlight with their new love, feeling sympathy for their ex but no real emotions for them. The fact that this guy hasn't already wiped the encounter with his current ex to re-start the encounter with the letter-writer is a very, very bad sign, and I would run, not walk, the hell away from him.
shatnerstorm2 Mar 20th 2012 8:02PM
@Pyro:
1) The dude's fiancee is still his fiancee. She's not an ex in any sense of the word.
2) Call me old-fashioned, but if I'm dating someone who's living with their ex, that's a HUGE red flag for me. Finding out later that they were living with their ex and not telling me about it is an even bigger red flag.
Otherwise, I'm in agreement with you. She needs to get as far from this dude as possible ASAP.
Pyromelter Mar 20th 2012 8:13PM
Shatner, you actually are agreeing with me. My loquaciousness seems to be getting the better part of me these days. My point is the fact that the dude is still with his fiancee and talking about staying with her means that the letter-writer has absolutely no chance at any kind of decent relationship with him.
Spellotape Mar 20th 2012 9:04PM
@ Pyro
No, I don't think he was agreeing with you nor was your multiloquence the problem. Despite your following Scott Pilgrim reference, it actually is terrible to still be in a relationship while seeking a new partner and there are no special circumstances (i.e. "really being done with it") which could alter that to make it OK.
If you are done with a relationship, you are done, and staying in the old one while trying to get a new one going is selfish.
musicchan Mar 21st 2012 12:53AM
@Pyro I sort of feel like you're missing the point about the whole Scott/Knifes/Ramona thing. What he did to the girls was -wrong- and he knew it. Starting to date one person while still dating another is going to end up hurting someone's feelings. It was not flattering at all to Scott to show him in that light and even though he tried to atone for his mistakes, you never get the idea that what he did was something that decent people do.
Decadent Mar 20th 2012 5:26PM
One, or both, of you can try to justify it with all the excuses in the world but, if you're in a relationship with someone and emotionally or sexually involved with someone else through any medium, it's cheating.
It sounds to me like they're both looking for something new and shiny, some novelty to distract from their current relationship being a hot mess that they're too lazy to put effort into. I doubt that they'll put any effort into this one either, once the furtive sex in hotel rooms phase wears off.
Zarabethe Mar 21st 2012 5:13AM
^^^ that right there.
knightsamoyed Mar 20th 2012 5:28PM
plus there's this to consider-any man who's willing to cheat on who he's with to be with you...will probably eventually cheat on you as well if you end up with him.
StClair Mar 20th 2012 5:36PM
Agreed, to you and also Decadent above.
threesixteen Mar 20th 2012 5:29PM
people always gotta learn the hard way.
Pyromelter Mar 20th 2012 7:48PM
When it comes to love and relationships, some people don't just learn the hard way, they never learn at all :/.
Gendou Mar 20th 2012 5:30PM
I really only have two comments of note:
1.) An emotional affair is still an affair. You can try to rationalize it or justify it any way you like, but it's still an affair and it's still cheating.
2.) The way you get in is the way you go on - and the way you get out. In other words, a relationship that begins via cheating is likely to continue via cheating - and end via cheating.
StClair Mar 20th 2012 5:34PM
> Lets make things more complicated! He's engaged, he lives with her, he loves her but feels he's not happy nor is she right for him.
The MOMENT I read this, the red flags went up. Now I'm using them to make the "wave off" gesture. Abort, abort!