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3-21-2012 @ 12:37PM
I actually had this conversation with my wife the other day. Some neutral factions are a bit of a joke right now - no one can tell me that if it was real life that the cenarion circle and argent crusade would not be at war with the horde right now. Granted, their main beef would be with the orcs/goblins and undead respectively, but it takes quite a bit of suspended disbelief to make it through some quest zones atm. Slightly off topic, honestly what are blood elves and tauren doing in the horde right now anyhow? They'd be more of a fit in the alliance from where I stand.
3-21-2012 @ 1:38PM
The Tauren are reeling from the Alliance destruction of Camp Taurjo and the innocents that were slaughtered there along with how the Alliance are carving a road through the Barrens to reinforce Ashenvale, coming from a city that once was, while not neutral, once the home of a woman who was a lot friendlier to the Horde than most humans. You know how Alliance players rage about Southshore? Yeah, Taurjo's a huge rage for Horde players, especially since Taurjo was a hunting camp just outside of their homeland where they felt safe, while Southshore was a holdout on the edge of enemy territory and kinda had to expect that sometime. The Tauren are also dealing with the Grimtotem, the group lead by the woman who poisoned Garrosh' axe so that Cairne died, allying with the Alliance in Stonetallon and creating havoc there while they also are taking advantage of the destruction of Thousand Needles and the Tauren settlement there. Oh, and there's Dwarves digging in their ancestral lands in Southern Barrens, too.Plenty of reason for the Tauren to -not- ally with the Alliance.The Blood Elves have the interesting twist where it seems pretty clear that they'd love to get together with their High Elven bretheren, but there's the itty bitty problem of how they were screwed in the first place by the Alliance general treating Kael'thas, their -freakin prince-, as cannon fodder and worthless to the point that in order to -not die-, he had to ally with the Naga, which was instant death sentence to this jerk of a general. The Alliance didn't extend their hand after Arthas rampaged through their home and destroyed the Sunwell (which was the moment when High Elf and Blood Elf split), the High Elves condemned them for giving in to their crippling withdrawal from the Sunwell's energies and using Fel energy instead, and the only person who reached out to them after it all was their former Ranger High General, Sylvanas Windrunner, a former elf who reached out to her people with assistance and care, and worked damn hard to get the Blood Elves into the Horde...and without her and the Horde the Blood Elves full realize they would have fallen to the continued Scourge threat in their lands. They've less obvious reason for wanting to stay with the Horde vs jumping to the Alliance, but their alliance with the Horde is strong, and Sylvanas continues to assist her former people. The most that the Blood Elves seem to want to do right now is get back on their feet and survive, and play the political handwaving dance that is finding some sort of peace with the High Elves, facilitated by allowing them to also visit the Sunwell. They're -almost- like a definition of North Korea and South Korea...lots of families were split between the two countries and now are kept apart by political differences with only a few points of 'safe' crossover. Go sit in front of Zul'Aman in the Ghostlands and watch the little rp scene between Veressa Windrunner, Haldruon Brightwing and Vol'jin for a bit of a feel of that 'uncertainty'. (Key is to realize that Lor'themar could have sent a military force rather than a nice polite 'I disapprove of this' letter, sticking to his alliance with the Horde by the letter rather than full action)
3-21-2012 @ 1:58PM
You very seriously misunderstand elves and tauren if you think either would be a good fit for the Alliance. I will grant it doesn't make much sense for the elves to be in the Horde either, although the Tauren are naturals for it (indeed, should probably lead it -- they best exemplify what the Horde is all about at heart).
3-21-2012 @ 4:25PM
Camp Tarajo was a camp that trained hunters that were harassing Alliance forces that were building a road to resupply the night elves that are being invaded by the Horde (which includes Tauren).It's an old arguement, but comparing it to Southshore (a long standing settlement that is part of a human kingdom that has stood for centuries) or Gilneas (a long standing human nation) that had the misfortune of having land that the Forsaken/Horde wanted, is a bit off-base.Outside of that, the Trolls and the Tauren really only fit as part of Thrall's Horde Idea. But no changing that now (anymore than having the blood elves, night elves, tauren, trolls and worgen forming a faction to face off against the dwarf, gnome, human, orc, goblins), so it's no big deal.
3-21-2012 @ 4:47PM
I understand that the elves have had a bit of a rough ride with humans before, but this conversation would essentially be moot if Anduin Lothar was still alive or had had children as the elves owed allegiance to the Arathi bloodline, quite simply they would never have left the alliance just based on that. Additionally, at the end of the Burning Crusade, it is Velen, not any member of the horde, who restores the sunwell for the Blood Elves, thus halting their slow descent into corruption from using fel energies. As for the Tauren, camp taurajo was not meant to play out the exact way it did, but beyond that it was not the horde that helped Baine recapture and secure Thunder Bluff after his father's death (at the hands of Garrosh - yeah his weapon was poisoned but regardless it was a duel to the death) it was Jaina, not to mention the connection made between Baine and Anduin Wrynn while the whole scenario transpired. It's hard not to see the horde right now as a weak coalition of semi-willing members, it would not take much at this point in my opinion to really fracture the horde.
3-21-2012 @ 5:32PM
The Blood Elves did not "leave" the Alliance. They were basically kicked out. The events that precipitated the split are not really "in the past" to them, either--we're talking about events from about 15 years ago in-game, with a group of people who live to be over 350 years old.
3-21-2012 @ 5:50PM
Most of the elves didn't take their commitment to the Arathor line seriously, the government of Quel'thelas sent a token force of observers to discharge their responsibility. Alleria took her rangers to assist the Alliance against the orders of her superiors. The rest of the elven forces didn't aid the Alliance until after Orgrim torched the forests of Quel'thelas and corrupted their rune stones with demonic magics, and Turalyon led half the Alliance army to save Quel'thelas. After the war, the elves pulled out of the alliance immediately, which prompted the Gilneans to pursue their isolationist doctrine. The elves didn't come back to help the alliance during the third war until well after the Scourge had gutted Lordaeron and moved on to smash Silvermoon.That's pretty much the story of the Blood Elves, outside of the living Windrunners, the elves were, and always have been, jerks who can't be trusted to help with any problem until it comes to their land and burns down their forests. Vareesa's followers in the Silver Covenant were the only elves remaining with whom their oath to Arathor would have carried any weight.as for the Tauren/Alliance relations, Blizzard has no idea what they're doing with them. In one zone the Alliance burns down Turajo, in another zone the Alliance allies with the Grimtotems, in The Shattering the Alliance helped push the Grimtotems out of TB and gave shelter to Baine, in thousand needles the Alliance fights against the grimtotems and captures the occupied Freewind Post, only to give it back to the Horde for some reason. It's like watching a dating show, only both people are bipolar schizophrenics.
3-21-2012 @ 6:21PM
The Blood Elves were being wiped out, with no aid from an Alliance who actually took advantage of their countries weakened state to imprison their leader when he took steps to rectify this situation, until Sylvanas and the Forsaken offered to help them. The Tauren were likewise saved by the Horde, a group who they have deep cultural similarities with and whose first action upon encountering them was to protect them from extinction at the hands of the centaur a cause with no benefit other than the idea that genocide is wrong. Compare this with the Alliance, who consist of a bunch of pseudo christian white guys currently lobbing huge spears at the gate near the camp they burned down and the Night Elves, who stood in their forest right next to the Barrens, within spitting distance of the besieged Tauren and did nothing. Which is why neither faction is likely to leave the Horde or join the Alliance.
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