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3-21-2012 @ 12:49PM
I don't think its quite so black and white, tbh. Assuming no game-mechanics reasons for these neutral factions, the vast majority of them exist because there is (and always has been, really) some massive threat to all life on Azeroth and because there's consequences for picking sides.Surely Malfurion has a strained relationship with Tyrande and the Night Elves, seeing as he's working with some of the very people destroying their forests, but at the same time Ragnaros backed by an army of Deathwing is knocking at the world tree's door. To reject the help of Horde members could mean defeat at the hands of Ragnaros, where the stakes are much higher than territorial battles in Ashenvale. If no leaders or factions were willing to put aside the current politics or disputes for the sake of a bigger cause, the World of Warcraft would have died out years and years ago.Perhaps with the twilight (at least for now) of big world ending mega-threats we'll see these factions start to turn their attention to their own kin, though doing so has consequences and it leads me to my next point.In terms of the Argent Crusade, they've set up camp surrounded at all sides by hostile forces, and then surrounded even further by Blood Elves and the Forsaken. The Alliance have strongholds in WP, but they're tied up losing in Anderhol, and the Forsaken are making strides all over the Northern half of the Eastern Kingdoms and create their own reinforcements from the corpses of their enemies.I have no doubt that Tirion is aware and does not approve of what the Forsaken are doing, but what is he going to do? Throw his lot in with the Alliance, thereby losing any Horde support (inside and outside of his own ranks), and then watch as he has to face not only the Scourge but now the Forsaken, with little, if any, Alliance reinforcement nearby? Sure, there's nothing to say he wouldn't be perhaps be successful, but that's an awfully large risk he probably doesn't want to take (at least right now).I agree that some neutral factions are better put together and designed than others, but I don't think its necessarily a surreal concept and that it doesn't make any sense.
3-21-2012 @ 1:49PM
"Too long have I sat idle, gripped in this haze... this malaise, lamenting what could have been... what should have been. Your death will not have been in vain, Taelan. A new Order is born on this day...an Order which will dedicate itself to extinguishing the evil that plagues this world. An evil that cannot hide behind politics and pleasantries. This I promise...This I vow..."Bold words from Tirion Fordring. This is the man who led 300 crusaders against the full onslaught of the Lich King's forces. The man who carved a path across Northrend, facing enemies far more dangerous and numerous, to batter down the gates of Icecrown Citadel. Ever since his son's death, his entire character has been built around rooting out evil no matter the odds against him. And you're insinuating that after all that, he's afraid of two dying races? When he has his own personal kingdom to use as a base of operations, not to mention the only arable land for miles, and every fortification along the line that reinforcements from SMC would have to march to link up with the Forsaken. But Blizzard thinks he has more important things to do, like build more statues of himself while the stretch of Lordaeron that they've worked so hard to reclaim from the blight is replagued and corrupted, again.
3-21-2012 @ 5:27PM
The only explanation I can see that makes sense of Tirion's inaction is that he honestly doesn't know. After all, he's busy running Hearthglen, and he has these loyal lieutenants that presumably deal with the outside world and bring what he needs to know to his attention.These advisors know damn well what Tirion would do if he knew (or even suspected) what the Forsaken are up to with their Val'kyr in and around Andorhal, so he gets fed a... sanitized... version of the reports from there. Why would they do this? The advisors think that they've got plenty on their plate with the Western Plaguelands in general, Balnazzar's Scarlet Crusaders, and the Scourge remnants in the Scholomance and Stratholme. Adding the Forsaken (and presumably the rest of the Horde) to their enemies would stretch the Crusade too thin even if none of the Argent Crusaders balked at fighting their homelands, and some would.Related thought: What are the odds that Sylvanas makes friends with the now-independent Darkmaster Gandling? Hearthglen and the Crusaders there are likely to be a problem for both the Forsaken and the Scholomance.
3-21-2012 @ 10:51PM
@DragonFireKai"Two dying" races?Yeah, I bet that's what Southshore thought too, and look what happened to THEM.
3-22-2012 @ 3:08AM
What is the Forsaken compared to the Scourge? Nothing but a pallid shadow. Sylvanas commands four Val'kyr, Arthas led hundreds. The Forsaken have a plague that wiped out Southshore, the Scourge plague destroyed Lordearon. Those four, fragile Val'kyr are the weak link of the entire faction. They're the means by which the Forsaken spread their blighted existence, and also the means by which Sylvanas evades her eternal punishment. Destroy them, and the entire faction collapses. Sylvanas goes back to hell, and her cult of personality collapses without their Dark Queen.
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