Wouldn't this be cool? Garrosh and the Shadow Council

What could send the Horde -- the very same Horde that drank the blood of Mannoroth and marched through the Dark Portal -- into such a fear and concern over their leader? The very same threat that the orcs succumbed to on Draenor, that's what.
Putting the pieces together
One of the fun games that I've been playing over the course of the week was seeing how much interesting information could I pick up from the many fan site interviews to see if anything was revealed through chance. I wanted to get to the bottom of Garrosh's story arc, so I started digging. Oh, how I wish for more transcriptions of interviews ...
MMO-Champion boiled down the extra Garrosh information, snippets gleaned from the off-handed comments by Blizzard devs and story folk, to essentially this: Garrosh has become corrupted and has been doing some really nasty things beneath Orgrimmar. I know, I know, "corrupted." It can mean a lot of things -- and in this case, I think Blizzard very carefully chose the word because it knows the connotation it has with the community and that our expectations will be deceived. Garrosh's corruption will not be external -- it will come from within.
So we know that Garrosh turns into an even more murderous machine and loses more and more of his filter and control as time goes on. We can surmise, anyway. That is how orcs begin their downfall, and it is a classic tale in orcish culture. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Neeru Fireblade and the Shadow Council
A loose story thread from way back in the Warcraft III days is how exactly Thrall integrated the Shadow Council into the new Horde. The Shadow Council are dastardly at best and pure evil at worst. Residing the the Cleft of Shadow beneath Orgrimmar, these orcs still openly practice demonic magics and spend energy and resources holding back out of control demons in the Ragefire Chasm.
Thrall was reluctant to ever do business with Neeru Fireblade and his sect of warlocks that belonged to the Burning Blade. These warlocks, paired with the Searing Blade cultists who eventually took over Ragefire, pose a still-looming threat from within Orgrimmar itself.
Neeru is not a good guy. His story has progressed since Garrosh became warchief, his model was changed in Cataclysm, and he says that his use of demonic magic is purely for the defense of Orgrimmar. Well, isn't that convenient?
Margoz, a shaman in Durotar, speaks of Neeru:
Although he is a skilled warlock, he professes to use his powers to thwart demons, and claims his research in the occult is benign. Be that true or false, we may need his aid against the demonic cult in Durotar.
We needed Neeru's aid at level 10. Garrosh may need it at level 90. Neeru even speaks highly of Garrosh, stating that he would do anything he can to put himself into the good graces of the Warchief and to prove that not all warlocks want to destroy the Horde from within. Remember, not all of them.
A legacy of demons
What if Garrosh enlists the aid of the former Shadow Council to unleash a terrible, demonic power against the Alliance on Pandaria? Garrosh, thinking he is stronger than his father, believes that he can control the power his father succumbed to. Arrogant to the last, the once-great veteran goes the way of the most power-hungry orcs, thinking yourself two orcs too tall.
The orcs remember this. They won't let Garrosh hand them into slavery again -- not even to win this war.
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Reader Comments (Page 3 of 4)
Dreyja Mar 21st 2012 8:00PM
I don't care so much how it happens as long as I get to Punch-That-Garrosh-INDA-FACE! XD (no emoticons for how happy this makes me). ;-p
Scuutor Mar 21st 2012 8:02PM
I doubt that Garrosh will do the demon blood thing, given his family history and all. (I'm willing to be wrong, of course. This is all speculation.)
I think it will be an Old God thing, but with a twist. I suspect that the Sha are like larval Old Gods. The similarity of the Old Gods and the Sha both feeding on negative emotion can't be downplayed. Add in those stained glass windows in Ulduar, and the presence of what is likely another Titan facility in Pandaria and the connection gets stronger.
Garrosh, in an act of desperation, allowing himself to merge with, or be taken over buone of these Sha to turn the tide of a battle is where I'm placing my bets. Even if he's able to assimilate that Sha with his own psyche, he would almist inevitably become malevolent due the nature of what he'd done. (you are what you eat?)
Regardless, I look forward to reaching into the darkest corners of his heart, amplifying the corruption within, turning it against him until he is weak enough for me to tear his soul out completely. Then, I'll head over to westfall, pop that soul stone and seed of corruption a whole village of murlocs in one fel swoop.
Aurix Mar 21st 2012 11:47PM
Garrosh, the Sha of Pride!
darksky Mar 21st 2012 8:04PM
I find it interesting also that this will happen right at the end of an expansion, too. Think about this: what if Garrosh accidentally overpulls the whole of the Burning Legion instead of a few helpers to squash the Alliance?
Perhaps after Mists we'll face down the might of the Legion once and for all, this time on Azeroth instead of Outland? Would sure give Blizzard a chance to progress the blood elf & draenei stories like they say they've wanted to, and it might even open up a door for them to do more with Illidan's story -- which they've also hinted at. Maybe we'll even find out where the heck Maive ran off to...
icepyro Mar 21st 2012 8:06PM
"Here's hoping that Vol'Jin and Bain get a swat at him in the fight, which is likely."
This.
Actually, my "wouldn't this be cool" is this:
Bain gets to be our paladin escort (much the way Tirion was for ICC. As for Vol'jin, my guess is that Garrosh will be a twin fight with whoever convinced him to trust his insanity instead of the Horde for his power grab. Bain will tank Garrosh at first while we deal with whoever that is because I'm sure they have a way to raise Garrosh if he falls otherwise. Seeing his last friend go down, Garrosh snaps and gets a good shot in on Baine who retreats a little injured. We fight Garrosh and when we get him down to 10% and he realizes he has no other choice. He stuns us somehow for 30 seconds, during which time he pulls out the Skull of Gul'dan (if it still exists, or similar if not) and drinks. He starts to go Fel Orc and an arrow shoots over the raid. This arrow has a very shadowy tip and streaks a black flame. It pierces his chest and black fire consumes him.
"I told you I would be watching. I told you I would be waiting. And I told you what would happen."
Al Mar 21st 2012 8:22PM
Saurfang still has his vow from Wrath - maybe he comes in while Garrosh is hunched over to deliver the coup de grĂ¢ce.
Killik Mar 21st 2012 9:34PM
"Time... for Gamon to show his true quality."
jealouspirate Mar 21st 2012 8:18PM
A bit of a tangent, but here's my question regarding the Siege of Orgrimmar:
There's all out war between the Alliance and Horde. King Wrynn leads an Alliance army into Orgrimmar and executes the Warchief of the Horde. So... why do they leave? We all know that Orgrimmar is still going to belong to the Horde afterwards. If they had the power, wouldn't they occupy Orgrimmar? Are some Horde reinforcements going to show up and push them out? It wouldn't make any sense for them to kill Garrosh and just head home. I'm just not sure how this will play out and make any sense.
Al Mar 21st 2012 8:23PM
The battle-plan gets drawn up by the geniuses behind Andorhal and Stonard?
Killik Mar 21st 2012 9:28PM
My pet theory: Velen has dropped a contact lens somewhere along the route and the Alliance army must backtrack out of Orgrimmar searching the ground for it.
Daedalus Mar 22nd 2012 8:21AM
My theory is, even after Orgrimmar is taken, the bulk of Kalimdor will still be Horde territory. Some of that is simply because of Garrosh's efforts, but a large part truly belongs to the horde races; Durotar was nominally Tauren land that was given to the Orcs if they could take it from the murderous centaurs. Mulgore and Stonetalon are traditionally Tauren homelands. The trolls have the best claim to the islands.
Varian will have just come off seeing the devastation that foreign colonization wreaked on Pandaria; he'll likely be unwilling to commit the Alliance to the kind of war of conquest that would be needed to truly subjugate or control the Horde. Besides, if he does do that, and claims Orgrimmar for the Alliance, wouldn't he be just as bad as Garrosh? Hopefully, the trials of the king quest line we do will have resulted in a leader with the perspicacity to see that, and the nobleness to want to avoid it.
TonyKP Mar 22nd 2012 9:12AM
Good point. If the Horde ends up still being strong enough to push the Alliance back out then they'd have taken Orgrimmar by themselves. If they were weak enough to need Alliance help to take their own capital then they'd be too weak to stop them from keeping it.
The possibility that the Horde finally loses the war and is at the mercy of the Alliance at the end of all this seems real in the "common sense" sense. I don't seriously think that the developers would even consider that, though. Right...?
anonymous Mar 21st 2012 8:25PM
Sorry to burst your bubbles, everyone, but it has nothing to do with demon's blood or old gods or anything like that.
Nope, I have first-hand knowledge from key NPCs I've strategically placed to return Hellscream's eyes upon him, and they tell me our buddy Campfire has been having way too much "fun" in the secret brothels below Orgrimmar.
Poor guy got syphilis and trust me, you do NOT want to know what he was doing with ogres... unfortunately you WILL find out in Patch 5.3, and you'll not only know why both Alliance and Horde need to kill him, you'll also WISH it had just been old gods or the Shadow Council.
Elazul Yagami Mar 21st 2012 8:59PM
I'm getting pretty sick and tired of Horde faction leaders getting "corrupted" one way or another, while the alliance leaders remain more or less "pure"
Kael'thalas? Corrupted and dead.
Sylvanas? Corrupted and still ...um undead.
Garrosh? Will become corrupted and die.
The worst the alliance had is that hot head human king being hot headed. Hell even Greymane has "redeemed" himself in the eyes of the alliance.
And when i mean leader, I mean faction leader. Yes for better or for worse Garrosh has become the Leader of the orcs in place of thrall.
Fandral doesn't count, because Tyrande and Malfuron are the leaders for the nelfs, he was the leader of a subsect. Neither does Illidan.
Arthas doesn't count because he was never a faction leader, at least in Wow. (he was never really the king in WC3 and TFT either)
Come on Blizzard. Corrupt some Alliance leaders already. Not leaders of a subsect, but actual leaders!
I wanna see Jaina or the council of the three hammers, or Tyrande, or Varian Go apeshit.
Hell Varian was optimal to go apeshit so his son could be the one to take him down. The tension was there, it was all there. Instead Varian matures, and Garrosh (as much as i hate him) is the one going Apeshit.
Seriously at this rate eventually the horde won't have any "pure" leaders but Baine.
Ilmyrn Mar 21st 2012 9:06PM
You should run Hour of Twilight.
Actually, wasn't Fandral the NE faction leader back in Vanilla? I seem to remember Horde wiping to him a lot anyway.
AutumnBringer Mar 21st 2012 9:10PM
I get what you're saying, but I think Illidan and Arthas are legit examples.
I know they were never faction leaders in WoW, but I would argue that they played more important roles in Azeroth's history than some of the actual faction leaders.
But ... if Blizzard wants to continue claiming the Horde aren't "bad guys" they should stop making them follow, well ... bad guys :P
Killik Mar 21st 2012 9:25PM
Staghelm totally counts, as he was the Night Elf faction leader for many years.
Sylvanas is what she is. Has she really been corrupted *since* she became faction leader of the Forsaken? Doubt it.
True, loads more Horde heroes than Alliance end up as bosses to kill. That's partly because Horde guys like Kargath Bladefist (who is basically a Reaver from Firefly) make more compelling enemies than the Alliance's "we need to take this guy down before he heals another sickly orphan!"
Anyway, please no more 'corruption', for Alliance or Horde leaders. It's getting rather hackneyed.
Elazul Yagami Mar 21st 2012 9:10PM
Hour of Twilight doesn't count.
Again, the Arch bishop was the leader of a subsect, Not the humans in general.
If you're referring to the "Echos" those don't really count anyway.
Elazul Yagami Mar 22nd 2012 11:05PM
AutumnBringer,
that's exactly my point. :)
themightysven Mar 21st 2012 9:54PM
Arrogant to the last, the once-great veteran goes the way of the most power-hungry orcs, thinking yourself two orcs too tall.
well, he will be two orcs tall in the raid...
also, what are the chances Gallywix will be involved? because everyone wants to slap him around...