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3-21-2012 @ 7:14PM
Since I have always loathed the character I'm fine with this explanation. HOWEVER, after reading a lot of the responses to the announcement, I totally see where some people are coming from when they say (in my words), "He's enough of an Ass-Hat to have made these mistakes all on his own." In fact, it could be more interesting to see his downfall come from his own hubris. Mind you, that could still be the case. Many of the corrupted characters of Azeroth got their by their own choices. Either way I am SO pumped for this fight. I've wanted this since he came into power. Here's hoping that Vol'Jin and Bain get a swat at him in the fight, which is likely.
3-21-2012 @ 7:43PM
Honestly, I think it's going to come from his own hubris no matter what. The only way it wouldn't is if he was being corrupted by an Old God...which I think Blizz has realized is not the be all, end all story idea. Otherwise, he's just too prideful of a character to not believe that he can take on any challenge himself, be it demon blood or whatever.
3-21-2012 @ 7:52PM
I personally EXPECT it to be a result of his own hubris but it's certainly too early to say with any kind of certainty
3-21-2012 @ 7:57PM
True DAT - both of you. ;-) Hubris kind of defines him as a "person." Between that and his selfish pursuit of his own glory you have a perfect recipe for a down-fall.
3-21-2012 @ 8:29PM
I really don't expect Garrosh's arc to end with him being corrupted by demon blood and slain. An ending like that wouldn't contribute much to the direction the story has been headed, in my opinion, and could really be seen as a step backwards. The writers have done a great job making Garrosh a contentious character among fans, and showing that he does have multiple facets to him. Ending his character in such a predictable way would be a letdown and a waste of a good redemption story.I do expect Garrosh's "corruption" to involve the Sha; perhaps he becomes the host for one, and brings it back to Durotar. This could have something to do with the source of power at the center of Pandaria, assumedly some Titan artifact that causes negative emotion to manifest as the Sha. Removing it from its island quarantine risks spreading the Sha all over Azeroth (this is starting to sound like Lost.) It may become necessary to "remove the mantle of Warchief from his shoulders" or whatever the exact phrasing was, but I haven't seen it explicitly indicated that we will KILL Garrosh. (Besides, that kind of downfall would be a huge bummer for Thrall, who put Garrosh in charge; he would feel like he let Grom and the Mag'har down, etc. And Metzen and co. have sort of admitted that Thrall's story needs to chill for a while. If Garrosh dies as an evil warlord, his arc really becomes about Thrall again, since his character never really got the chance to see developmental fruition.)There's also the parallels between Garrosh and Varian's characters. If a central theme of the expansion is mastering oneself, who better to exemplify that internal struggle than two characters with serious rage issues? It sounds like Varian is going to come out of this changed for the better, and Garrosh's descent will show the other side of that coin. Call me crazy, but I see a cool opportunity here for Garrosh to LEARN something from Varian. I've always sort of felt that these two are being set up as such bitter enemies as a way to eventually unite the two factions against the Legion or whatever the final threat is; I mean, if those two hotheads could someday resolve their differences, respect each other as warriors and all that, the mortal races would be unstoppable against the forces of Darkness.TLDR: I'm thinking Sha, not Demons, and hopefully some redemption for Hellscream. Let's not start celebrating Garrosh's funeral just yet!
3-21-2012 @ 9:00PM
I like the way Chuparex thinks. I don't like Garrosh, or what he did to the Horde I used to like back in BC, but I don't want to see him dead. Not yet anyway.The problem with Garrosh, and you can see this all the way back in Nagrand is that he was never meant for leadership but it was thrust upon him anyway. For some folks, like Thrall, Jaina, or Lothar, they grow into that mantle and become great leaders. But others don't. Garrosh didn't.
3-23-2012 @ 12:46AM
I'm with chuparex 100% on this. I mentioned on the page for the initial announcement of the seige of orgrimmar that i think it will be sha corruption that causes us to take him down. Garrosh has come a long way from the orc plagued by self pity and doubt, standing by the campfire in garadar, but i truly don't think that he's come far enough to forget the reason he was so plagued by malaise: his father damning his entire race by drinking demon blood. I can't believe for a second that blizzard would cast all of that aside completely, and have Garrosh succumb to the same fate as grom. Furthermore, this expansion features the sha, beings born of pure negative energy, as some of the most significant antagonists. Why wouldn't they make use of them, rather than the tired old formula of orcs being corrupted by demons, as the force Garrosh attempts to control in order to crush his enemies? Not to mention that demons haven't been present anywhere else (that I've noticed) in the descriptions of pandaria. It's not unheard of to have the first raid be something unrelated to the story (kara wasn't really anything to do with bc, prince notwithstanding), but that doesn't seem like something they're likely to do again. We're going to be causing a lot of the problems in pandaria in the first patch, and then fixing them in later patches; Garrosh messing around with the sha seems like a good example of as mess we need to clean up...
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