Does Garrosh Hellscream deserve to die?

Likely one of the most contentious things to come out of the Mists of Pandaria press event was the news that we do indeed have a final boss for the expansion -- and it's the current leader of the Horde, Garrosh Hellscream. Garrosh has been a figure in lore since The Burning Crusade led Horde players to Nagrand and introduced the younger Hellscream, an orc who had been raised thinking his father was the reason the orc race had been through so much suffering. This depressed him to the point that we players actually stepped up and took care of many of the problems surrounding the Mag'har village in an attempt to cheer him up.
But his true salvation came in the form of Warchief Thrall, who was not only gratified to find his grandmother alive and the name his mother and father intended for him, but happy to find the living descendant of one of his closest friends as well. It was Thrall's words that finally broke the stupor of shame and depression that Garrosh had been living with for his entire life. And it was Thrall who took Hellscream under his wing, away from Garadar and to a land he'd never before set eyes upon: Azeroth.
But his true salvation came in the form of Warchief Thrall, who was not only gratified to find his grandmother alive and the name his mother and father intended for him, but happy to find the living descendant of one of his closest friends as well. It was Thrall's words that finally broke the stupor of shame and depression that Garrosh had been living with for his entire life. And it was Thrall who took Hellscream under his wing, away from Garadar and to a land he'd never before set eyes upon: Azeroth.

What Gauss asks is a question many are asking: Why put in so much development over time simply to kill off a lore character who has been shown growing and learning from his errors? Is Garrosh simply being set up to be a scapegoat? And when you look at the current story that Garrosh has been handed to play out, it does seem as though he's been making progress, even if that progress is slow. To be perfectly honest, Garrosh Hellscream is one of the few characters in World of Warcraft who has seen major development beyond the span of one expansion. He's traveled from his hopelessness in Nagrand, an impossible low, to his current seat as Warchief of the Horde, an almost impossible high.
The problem with making assumptions like these, however, is that there is a gigantic chunk of information missing. We've been given the first three major chapters in Garrosh's progression, and we've been given a hint at how the fourth and presumably final chapter will end. But what happens in that fourth chapter is a mystery -- and it's one that is going to span the full length of yet another expansion and a patch or two in between, as well.

And I don't think anyone can really predict what we'll see that Warchief do when presented with a brand new continent that may or may not contain some sort of valuable resources that could be used to further the Horde's foothold on Azeroth. That missing chapter is apt to be some wholly remarkable storytelling -- and though I'm not sure where I stand on the issue of Garrosh's demise, I know that stepping into Pandaria is apt to be another fascinating chapter in that tale.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 11)
Thorie Mar 23rd 2012 2:05PM
Garrosh should be dishonorably kicked out of the Horde - a fate worse for an orc than death. He should forever have to wander the world filled with hundreds of races that want him dead a defaced and distrusted orc. Eventually, he may end up coming into contact with some new, evil power. Garrosh, with a little revenge in his mind, takes up this power for a future villian
haggi.battlecrows Mar 23rd 2012 2:46PM
what will happen:
mega final uberbattle: garrosh is defeated. the raiders are about to strike the killing blow.
thrall steps in and says 'we should have honor, and show this fallen soul mercy.' and garrosh is spared.
as thrall turns away after telling garrosh that knowing the dishonor he has brought himself and being deposed and banished is punishment enough, garrosh grabs his axe and snarls something about mercy and weakness(typical stuff for him back in wrath) and tries to cut thrall down.
thrall goes all earthwarder, turns garrosh to stone and smashes him to pieces.
cut to DRAMATIC close up of thralls face as he contemplates what has come and happened here.
cut to post-raid, chris metze- *ahem* thrall has saved azeroth! yay!
punch and pie are served for the horde. the alliance marches off to their respective cities.
fade to black.
we all know in the depths of our collective hearts that that's how it's going to be.
Boz Mar 23rd 2012 3:09PM
The bigger question: Who is going to ninja our kill in the final raid?
Personally I think it's Vol'jin's time to shine. Hell, Blizzard already had some foreshadowing in the Elemental Invasion world event:
Vol'jin: "I know exactly what I'll be doin' about it, son of Hellscream. I'll be watchin' as ya people slowly become aware of ya ineptitude. I'll laugh as dey grow ta despise ya as I do. And when tha time comes dat ya failure is complete and ya "power" is meaningless, I will be dere to end ya rule, swiftly and silently. Ya will spend ya reign glancin' over ya shoulda and fearin' tha shadows, for when tha time comes and ya blood be slowly drainin' out, ya will know exactly who fired da arrow dat pierced ya heart."
Jonathon Mar 23rd 2012 3:23PM
Do we still get *phat* loot if he gets spared?
evoxpisces Mar 23rd 2012 3:56PM
@Boz: Heck yea! I loved that cutscene and love Vol'jin... even if Garrosh doesn't die by his hand, I would still love to see Vol'jin take part in the final battle.
CDave Mar 23rd 2012 3:58PM
I hope we get Thorie's idea, with Thrall having us spare Garrosh, but as he is leaving Vol'jin fulfills his promise and puts an arrow in his back. Maybe Thrall will try to comfort Garrosh as he dies, maybe Garrosh will laugh that he underestimated the troll, or maybe he'll just die instantly (unlikely). Regardless, Thrall will then have some harsh words for Vol'jin, who'll state something about although he respects Thrall and is his friend, he will stand up for his own beliefs in spite of his loyalty to Thrall.
Of course this will all be a cinematic like Arthas or Deathwing. I really hope something like this happens so Vol'jin will get some spotlight time. And I haven't forgotten about Varian, I just don't really know how he'll fit in.
Darkke Mar 23rd 2012 4:32PM
Admittedly, I play Alliance. I'm very excited to see how they're planning on developing Varian.
I would absolutely be thrilled if instead of Thrall enacting Haggi Battlecrows seen above, if Varian were given the opportunity to be merciful instead. Even potentially binding Garrosh, and turning him over to the Horde leadership - Cairne, Voljin, etc.
I know that might not make all the ally "Raze Org to the Ground" fanboys happy, but as an alliance member, I want a leader that I can fall in behind, somebody that I can be proud of. Let Varian show restraint, wisdom, and mercy.
I wouldn't object too loudly if Voljin still wanted to take a shot though....
nycblackout89 Mar 23rd 2012 4:39PM
Where can I watch that cutscene?
haggi.battlecrows Mar 23rd 2012 6:58PM
*MEANWHILE IN BLIZZARD HEADQUARTERS*
'HOLY FARK! who the hell leaked the end of the garrosh fight to this haggi guy?!?!?'
i swear, it's like i have a crystal ba-
*gets yanked out of his chair by a rogue and dragged kicking and screaming into a blizzard van that peels out down the street*
Angrycelt Mar 23rd 2012 7:38PM
Following that train of thought down the "what if" road - after the siege, Garrosh is defeated, defiant and broken. Varian has a chance to turn Garrosh over to the Horde, but a now unforgiving Jaina Proudmoore isn't going to accept the beast who destroyed Theramore going free. One brutal explosion of magic and Garrosh drops dead while his dream of Orgrimmar burns around him.
I'll be honest, I quit WoW already, and it will take a major storyline-driven Alliance victory written into the game before I'll come back. I just got sick of 3 expansions of kicks to the jimmies as penned by Blizzard. (and neither Pandaren monks nor pet battles are enough by themselves to interest me)
After 6 years spent playing though, I do still hope for the best for Azeroth and all the awesome folks still truckin' around on the ol' server.
Sayis Mar 23rd 2012 2:06PM
Dude killed Cairne Bloodhoof and is waging an all-out war with little regard for the consequences. Good enough for me.
evandunn80 Mar 23rd 2012 2:19PM
Blame Cairne for being an old stubborn bull. That all started because he accused Garrosh for something he never did.
Shoggoth Mar 23rd 2012 2:20PM
Yeah, I mean, it's not like Cairne willingly went into a fight to the death knowing he could die.
It's also not like he challenged Garrosh himself.
Bamshackle Mar 23rd 2012 2:22PM
I actually hope that Garrosh's tale is one of redemption. Hopefully in our final stand against him the powers that have been manipulating him will come forward and he will rise up and defend the horde. If he dies I hope it is a death of honor, and not simply us killing a bloodraging boss.
I want there to be real depth to this story. I feel like Garroh's failure to see how he was controlled during his fight with Cairne should come back to the forefront. His blind desire to become a hero for the orc's will be the character's downfall. Garrosh is a bad leader, but I can't imagine a sadder end than becoming the beast that stole so much from his father.
Killik Mar 23rd 2012 2:29PM
It's not like I wanted him dead, but Cairne knew the risks. Unless you consider Cairne to be some sort of bully, 100% sure of his superiority, who wanted to murder an orc in public? In either case, lucky Garrosh, stupid Garrosh, not evil Garrosh.
Daedalus Mar 23rd 2012 2:35PM
Yeah, have to say, Garrosh was more the victim of circumstance, there. If anything negative about his character was to come out of that, it'd be how his reaction to being betrayed by Magatha was the same as his reaction to pretty much every other problem he's faced since Wrath: throw loads and loads of troops at it.
kapulani.koa Aug 22nd 2013 4:59PM
ITT, posters who forget that:
A. Garrosh requested/insisted that the duel be to the death, rather than to submission.
B. Garrosh's weapon was poisoned... It's arguable that he should've/could've been able to tell that something was tampered with along the way.
Still, a duel to the death is a duel to the death. But it wasn't a fair duel.
Tauren Fan Mar 23rd 2012 2:38PM
I could be off base, but I thought Cairne went into the fight expecting that Garrosh would defeat him. That could certainly have been someone else's interpretation or analysis that I'm confusing with the actual story, though. It breaks my heart, and still makes me angry that Cairne fell to such treachery, but it's obviously impossible to wholly blame Garrosh for that.
Cairne's death was tragic, but I would actually prefer to see Magatha Grimtotem dead than Garrosh, to be honest.
Dreyja Mar 23rd 2012 3:24PM
Yes but LOOK at who he was manipulated by! It was Garrosh's arrogant disregard for the wiser people that Thrall surrounded him with (and TOLD him to seek council from) that caused him to fall into Magatha's clutches with the littlest bit of flattery.
Yes. I. Blame. Him! I always will. Everyone with half a brain mistrusted Magatha but again, Garrosh's idiotic pride walked him right into her trap. His idiocy murdered Cairne. He was a tool, literally and figuratively.
Cairne was only half wrong and even the book had us all believing that Garrosh may in fact have been behind the flaying of the sentinels and the murder of the druids. The details of the crime aside Cairne was right about just how bad Garrosh is/was for the Horde.
I can't wait to see him taken down and I HONESTLY hope his is humiliated rather than killed. It is the end he deserves. I hope that Baine and Vol'Jiin are the ones to bring that pain.
roseclown Mar 23rd 2012 3:35PM
*points upward* What Dreyja said. She pretty much took the words from my mouth.
I mean, Garrosh took the horns of Mannorath to decorate his wardrobe with, and is welcome is not "Have you come to serve the Horde?" (which emphasis group work and a greater purpose), but "Hellscream's eyes are upon you" which is perhaps one of the most arrogant things I have ever heard. He has been pretty much setting himself up as god-like in his mighty might, and he NEEDS to be smacked down.
Now, would I like for him to die in order to have the satisfaction of seeing it? Yeeesssss. Preferably by both Baine and Vol'jin's hands. But it would also be interesting to see him be exiled and slowly redeem himself.