Does Garrosh Hellscream deserve to die?

Likely one of the most contentious things to come out of the Mists of Pandaria press event was the news that we do indeed have a final boss for the expansion -- and it's the current leader of the Horde, Garrosh Hellscream. Garrosh has been a figure in lore since The Burning Crusade led Horde players to Nagrand and introduced the younger Hellscream, an orc who had been raised thinking his father was the reason the orc race had been through so much suffering. This depressed him to the point that we players actually stepped up and took care of many of the problems surrounding the Mag'har village in an attempt to cheer him up.
But his true salvation came in the form of Warchief Thrall, who was not only gratified to find his grandmother alive and the name his mother and father intended for him, but happy to find the living descendant of one of his closest friends as well. It was Thrall's words that finally broke the stupor of shame and depression that Garrosh had been living with for his entire life. And it was Thrall who took Hellscream under his wing, away from Garadar and to a land he'd never before set eyes upon: Azeroth.
But his true salvation came in the form of Warchief Thrall, who was not only gratified to find his grandmother alive and the name his mother and father intended for him, but happy to find the living descendant of one of his closest friends as well. It was Thrall's words that finally broke the stupor of shame and depression that Garrosh had been living with for his entire life. And it was Thrall who took Hellscream under his wing, away from Garadar and to a land he'd never before set eyes upon: Azeroth.

What Gauss asks is a question many are asking: Why put in so much development over time simply to kill off a lore character who has been shown growing and learning from his errors? Is Garrosh simply being set up to be a scapegoat? And when you look at the current story that Garrosh has been handed to play out, it does seem as though he's been making progress, even if that progress is slow. To be perfectly honest, Garrosh Hellscream is one of the few characters in World of Warcraft who has seen major development beyond the span of one expansion. He's traveled from his hopelessness in Nagrand, an impossible low, to his current seat as Warchief of the Horde, an almost impossible high.
The problem with making assumptions like these, however, is that there is a gigantic chunk of information missing. We've been given the first three major chapters in Garrosh's progression, and we've been given a hint at how the fourth and presumably final chapter will end. But what happens in that fourth chapter is a mystery -- and it's one that is going to span the full length of yet another expansion and a patch or two in between, as well.

And I don't think anyone can really predict what we'll see that Warchief do when presented with a brand new continent that may or may not contain some sort of valuable resources that could be used to further the Horde's foothold on Azeroth. That missing chapter is apt to be some wholly remarkable storytelling -- and though I'm not sure where I stand on the issue of Garrosh's demise, I know that stepping into Pandaria is apt to be another fascinating chapter in that tale.
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Reader Comments (Page 10 of 11)
Armill3 Mar 23rd 2012 5:34PM
Blizzard does this all the time - it develops heroes and then turns them around to be slaughtered. Happened to Kerrigan in SC; happened to Arthas. Happened to two former leaders in BC!
Heck, even Deathwing was a good guy before he was corrupted.
I think they take this tact because they have to keep both factions reasonably justified in their worldviews and no one side out and out evil in order to keep players in the Horde. They look more monstrous, so there's already an inclination to go there. How many trolls have we slaughtered as players of both factions, at this point? And how silly would it feel to go after Varian Wrynn this way? (never mind how goofy he would look if he came back from his northrend exploits the alliance-equivalent of Garrosh's new model.)
I think we're being set up for the next expansion to be an onslaught of just pure evil from the Legion, or somewhere. Even the Twilight's Hammer were kind of goofy and bumbling, in their own way. Demons will be descending.
Dreyja Mar 23rd 2012 5:39PM
Puts on my own Tinfoil Hat:
I REALLY like the idea that the Sha are at the heart of his "corruption" that's he's been vulnerable to for all the reasons that have been outlined already.
Now, who is to say that the SHA aren't a manifestation of one of the Old Gods? *shiver*
I want to go back and look at the map of Azeroth and the sort of Old-God pentagram that Anne has speculated about. We know there is an odd source of power in Pandaria -- as yet to be revealed. If this turns out to be the case, even in the long-run, I'd argue that this avoids the Old God thing from just being another case of "a wizard did it," to WOW... they've actually thought through this Old God thing and how it permeates the story of Azeroth in some really interesting ways. The Big Picture would welcome this explanation.
Anne - you are freaking brilliant. I hope you know this. ;-p
steve112390 Mar 23rd 2012 6:15PM
is it possible that his armor is corrupting him, like gul'dan putting part of his soul in his own skull is it possible manorroth put part of his spirit into the armor garrosh is wearing therefore corrputing him
yagamimoon Mar 23rd 2012 6:35PM
Oh my god. Tons of misinformed opinions and info missed by not reading the books. This is the result of the mess was cataclysm: People get to miss the greater picture and think of Garrosh as simply stupid, while he is actually very complex. He is learning on the road, he doesnt deserve this at all. And worst of all, he falls into disgrace, while the guy who put him there in the first place, gets to be happy with his wife and children.
I might be one of the few, but i dont really want to lose one of the most developed leaders in Cataclysm. One with flaws and plenty of mistakes, but learning from them, and defining him much better than all the other leaders around. It's just not fair to lose him for the biggest Mary-sue in game.
Dreyja Mar 23rd 2012 6:42PM
I have read all of the books and while he may be capable of being ... brain-smart I consider him an idiot in all the important ways. All I've seen is an extremely selfish individual who makes idiotic choices, even though he's shown the capacity for strategy and forethought.
Just because he is wildly unsympathetic to me doesn't mean I'm uninformed about his character. You can be of the opinion that Blizz has done a good job making he nuanced. I frankly do not see it. :)
Possum Mar 23rd 2012 8:07PM
Since we met Garrosh he has pretty much been emotionally a child. I think growing up without a father maybe screwed him up. It's clear he hasn't been taught very well (partially Thrall's fault). As he currently stands he has the capacity to grow, if he were to make the connection that perhaps some of the bad things that have been happening are in fact his fault. Blizzard has chosen to go the easier route though and make him much worse.
mason.jdouglas Mar 23rd 2012 6:23PM
GAH!
Thank you!
Man, so many of these foolish comments are all. "Garrosh is evil and a warmonger and warcrimes!" He's fighting a pretty fair war for the most part. All real atrocities that have been committed in Horde name were by Sylvanas and her evil underlings. Where's the Sylvanas hate? Does an exposed midriff make REAL war crimes all okay?
Anyways, nice to see a thoughtful and informed opinion on Garrosh's "War Crimes".
Dreyja Mar 23rd 2012 7:04PM
Oh I've been VERY vocal about Sylvanas' war crimes, trust me. I do think that Garry has some responsibility for her crap. I do not find him to be traditionally evil, just so manically selfish (and yes, idiotic in many ways) that he does evil things. Sylvanas is evil, she crossed that line when she became the monster that made her.
It is one of my pet peeves as well that folks like to over-look her evil because they thinks she is corpse-y -hotness. /bleh
Possum Mar 23rd 2012 8:03PM
The Forsaken are expected to commit War crimes. The Orcs are expected to have honour. Most of the Forsaken War crimes go on behind closed doors. They have in fact been banned by the Horde from using the plague (though they do it behind their backs all the time). So while the Horde as a whole does not trust the Forsaken or Sylvannas they don't really have the proof to go raid her. Garrosh, sitting in Orgrimmar is much more under the public eye.
Caribald Mar 23rd 2012 6:48PM
Personally, I can't wait to hear what the story will be like. Garrosh doesn't deserve to die as things are RIGHT NOW, but as it seems like he will become corrupted, it will obviously change. But HOW he will be corrupted is the big question. Old gods? Fooled into drinking demon blood? Even mind controlled by someone, perhaps a forsaken, into striking a pact with the Burning Legion or committing horrible crimes? I just hope they don't screw it up and actually make a great storyline.
robsmith77 Mar 23rd 2012 6:57PM
For me (as an Alliance player), it all hinges on what exactly he does to cause his downfall. If he commits war crimes against the Alliance (executing prisoners of war, for example) or if his actions threaten the continued existence of Orcs on Azeroth (from a Horde point of view, as Alliance I would be quite pleased to see Orcs eradicated from Azeroth) then, yes, he deserves to die. If, on the other hand, he simply makes bad decisions but with a noble goal in mind (advancing the interests of Orcs in Azeroth, for example) then, no, he should either be banished or imprisoned.
Possum Mar 23rd 2012 7:57PM
I got to say I'm getting a little sick of the "And then Lore Hero was corrupted and we have to kill him" stories. I mean yeah Garrosh was never a big hero but the story of his growing into his leadership role in the Horde was a lot more interesting than the same old corrupt lore figure drek again and again.
I was very dead set against Garrosh becoming the new Warchief but now that he is I think it's just bad storytelling to kill him now. If they wanted to kill Garrosh they should have done it back when we 100% hated him or after he'd been 100% redeemed. Doing it now is just sort of 'huh? so we're killing him now? Whatever.'
And I have to say, this is pretty much Thralls fault entirely. From the moment he met this whiney Orc in Nagrand he has pretty much been setting him up for this fall.
Wait, maybe that was Thralls plan all along? He's like 'So you want a more Warmongering Warchief? We'll I'll give you one, see how you like that!'
I don't want Thrall back as my Warchief. He's been making some very bad decisions since Wrath.
duckmanstg Mar 26th 2012 2:43PM
Couldn't agree more. When discussing this stuff with guildies I've just started calling the plot mechanism CGIing. "Corrupted, Gone Insane". Seems to be the only way blizzard can script a bad guy. The Van Cleefs seem to be the only exception to this. Revenge, jealousy, greed, hubris, zealotry. There's so many other ways to make bad guys but that would require blizzard to tell a story IN game instead of through novels.
thebl4ckd0g Mar 23rd 2012 8:04PM
The other thing I thought about after re-reading what was said during the Press Tour and all these comments are these things:
1.) This will be in the final patch of MoP. i.e. - pre-next-expansion patch.
2.) Most likely like every pre-xpac-patch, will be setting up for the next expansion.
3.) Garrosh is going to do something so horrid that both Horde and Alliance agree - he needs to be removed from power.
4.) He's doing something "under orgrimmar" (which to be honest, is opposite of the quest he gives you that thrall used to give for Ragefire Chasm).
5.) This either has to do with The Burning Crusade - or an Old God. If there is any further excavations of the cave system below org that is RFC - I'd say Old God.
6.) It could be something none of us have thought about yet or some famous world boss or something.
I'm leaning a little towards Burning Legion - and a tie-in to the next xpac which I'm guessing will have Queen Azshara as a primary evil boss (granted we've seen her in the past in the Well of Eternity 5 man, but not CURRENT form). Azshara has ties to Sargeras and the Burning Legion.
I'm willing to guess that Outlands will be re-visited in the xpac after MoP - and possibly a lot more underwater zones as well...
Lemons Mar 23rd 2012 9:46PM
About the only thing I don't like is that the Alliance and Horde will team up to take Garrosh down. WTF Blizz. this expansion is about war between the Alliance and Horde and yet we TEAM UP for the ultimate encounter? Come on.
if I was Varian and Garrosh was doing "something evil" beneath Orgrimmar I wouldn't care at all. it's the orcs' city, let them deal with it.
Brasson Mar 24th 2012 12:10AM
At this time, no. He needs a long time-out, a stern talking-to, and to be sent to his room without dinner; but death? No.
The new Horde is about redemption. Grommash Hellscream found his in death. May his son find it in life.
extreem3d Mar 24th 2012 3:25AM
We don't know, all we have is a crystal ball vision of a world that wants him dead we still don't know why, and without knowing why we cant be sure what he deserves.
Dreyja Mar 24th 2012 12:45AM
Just once I'd like to see someone acknowledge that complaining about perceived Alliance QQ is QQing in it's own right.
MANY people can express their dissatisfaction with aspects of their faction's storyline and it's not necessarily QQing. It's become very popular to label it as, "the usual whiny Alliance temper tantrums." I've shared complaints with the likes of Anne and Rossi, by my reckoning they are in a group of people capable of thoughtful critique. That's good enough for me.
Plus for many of us it isn't about the quantity of story or a perception of how many of people from our races turn out as raid boss'. It's got to do with HEART.
Dreyja Mar 24th 2012 12:56AM
Guh... again this is in the wrong place. We've given up hope for a delete button yes? /cry
akusa_fox Mar 24th 2012 1:01AM
I think it's too early to answer a question like this. As has already been said, we don't know what Garrosh does in Mists. For all we know it could be downright atrocious and something he does deserve to die over.
Just as long as it isn't Thrall who ends the conflict. Again.