Does Garrosh Hellscream deserve to die?

Likely one of the most contentious things to come out of the Mists of Pandaria press event was the news that we do indeed have a final boss for the expansion -- and it's the current leader of the Horde, Garrosh Hellscream. Garrosh has been a figure in lore since The Burning Crusade led Horde players to Nagrand and introduced the younger Hellscream, an orc who had been raised thinking his father was the reason the orc race had been through so much suffering. This depressed him to the point that we players actually stepped up and took care of many of the problems surrounding the Mag'har village in an attempt to cheer him up.
But his true salvation came in the form of Warchief Thrall, who was not only gratified to find his grandmother alive and the name his mother and father intended for him, but happy to find the living descendant of one of his closest friends as well. It was Thrall's words that finally broke the stupor of shame and depression that Garrosh had been living with for his entire life. And it was Thrall who took Hellscream under his wing, away from Garadar and to a land he'd never before set eyes upon: Azeroth.
But his true salvation came in the form of Warchief Thrall, who was not only gratified to find his grandmother alive and the name his mother and father intended for him, but happy to find the living descendant of one of his closest friends as well. It was Thrall's words that finally broke the stupor of shame and depression that Garrosh had been living with for his entire life. And it was Thrall who took Hellscream under his wing, away from Garadar and to a land he'd never before set eyes upon: Azeroth.

What Gauss asks is a question many are asking: Why put in so much development over time simply to kill off a lore character who has been shown growing and learning from his errors? Is Garrosh simply being set up to be a scapegoat? And when you look at the current story that Garrosh has been handed to play out, it does seem as though he's been making progress, even if that progress is slow. To be perfectly honest, Garrosh Hellscream is one of the few characters in World of Warcraft who has seen major development beyond the span of one expansion. He's traveled from his hopelessness in Nagrand, an impossible low, to his current seat as Warchief of the Horde, an almost impossible high.
The problem with making assumptions like these, however, is that there is a gigantic chunk of information missing. We've been given the first three major chapters in Garrosh's progression, and we've been given a hint at how the fourth and presumably final chapter will end. But what happens in that fourth chapter is a mystery -- and it's one that is going to span the full length of yet another expansion and a patch or two in between, as well.

And I don't think anyone can really predict what we'll see that Warchief do when presented with a brand new continent that may or may not contain some sort of valuable resources that could be used to further the Horde's foothold on Azeroth. That missing chapter is apt to be some wholly remarkable storytelling -- and though I'm not sure where I stand on the issue of Garrosh's demise, I know that stepping into Pandaria is apt to be another fascinating chapter in that tale.
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Reader Comments (Page 2 of 11)
Tauren Fan Mar 23rd 2012 4:04PM
@ Dreyja
Good point, now I hate Garrosh even more! Also, as I remember the Vol'jin short story, it was rather obvious something was wrong as the poison took hold and before Garrosh finished him, and that was what I remember bothering me the most. Did Garrosh really think his glancing blow had disarmed Cairne? Grrrr, my blood is boiling now.
Shoggoth does have a good point, though, in that Cairne knew the risks. It also goes to show how much Cairne was willing to risk for his people and the Horde as a whole. I really hope we see Baine develop as a leader and do his old man proud over this next expansion.
I still want to kill Magatha, too, though!
Dreyja Mar 23rd 2012 4:17PM
Oh agreed. This is why, while I BLAME Garrosh for Cairne's death I don't call him the murderer. He's just a very harmful idiot who helped Magatha murder Cairne.
Both demand justice but I don't call him a murder for that. Now, what he did to manipulate certain gigantic creatures into attacking the Night Elves... THAT is flat out kidnapping and evil. (avoiding spoilers). :)
@ Tauren fan - Oh honey, we ALL want to take her down. ;) I hope we get it this time. Blizz may keep her around as a convenient baddy for both sides though. We shall see. :) (*P.S. I still hate that the Tauren are on the opposite side to my dwarfie-gals. *TAUREN HUGS*) X-p
Meatball Mar 23rd 2012 5:55PM
@roseclown
You know when he says "Hellscream's eyes are upon you", he means his father, right?
Marco Polaris Mar 24th 2012 10:52AM
I have to disagree about the arrogance thing on the "Hellscream's Eyes" bit. It's not a claim to power; it's a mantra. Live and fight as though the eyes of your warchief were upon you at all times. Most people work their hardest when they know they are being watched and judged for it; "Hellscream's eyes are upon you" tells you to work that hard, with honor and strength, all the time--not just to impress your betters. In that sense, I think it works pretty well.
It's certainly less arrogant than the nigh-on prayer "Dark Lady watch over you."
thebl4ckd0g Mar 23rd 2012 2:07PM
my guess is he gets controlled or possessed by an Old God.
although I'd rather see him banished to Outlands than see him killed.
let him think about all the bad he's done - and go to Outlands to really do some good.
Shadowdeath Mar 23rd 2012 2:52PM
please let it NOT be old gods again. seems every time we get a villain they end up just being a Old God puppet.
Klaudandus Mar 23rd 2012 4:25PM
Garrosh being corrupted by an old god does not inspire me to take him down in a full all out siege/war -- it makes me pity him instead.
John Mar 23rd 2012 3:02PM
I think Loken wasn't an Old God puppet - I think he voluntarily went to Team Y-S.
Stabaa Mar 23rd 2012 3:54PM
Getting a bit sick of the whole Boss X used to be sane/good and got corrupted by Y to become the new expansion boss. Really hope blizz don't go down this road again.
Throm Mar 23rd 2012 2:08PM
The Alliance needs to do something, ANYTHING, to give us a sense of pride again.
Killing Garrosh seems good.
Shoggoth Mar 23rd 2012 2:19PM
Killing the Warchief to appease Alliance players is a terrible idea from a lore and community standpoint. There are better ways to give Alliance players a sense of turning the tides of battle that Cataclysm set forth than killing a Hellscream.
Throm Mar 23rd 2012 2:25PM
Like what? Make Pandaria reverse-Cataclysm?
No.
Narayana Mar 23rd 2012 2:30PM
I kinda felt this coming a few weeks back, but I was WAY wrong about who was going down. I thought for sure we'd be going after Sylvanas in MoP. This would have served to tone down some of the lunacy on the Forsaken side, while also giving the Alliance the major victory it needed.
Hell- they could have re-claimed Lordaron and pushed us back into Tarren Mill or something.
Taking out Garrosh is a very odd place to go. I am intrigued to see how we get there...
Glaras Mar 23rd 2012 2:39PM
Taking out the Warchief -on its own - is only a good thing for the Alliance only if we act without the rest of the Horde's help, and we leave Orgrimmar a ruined shell whose fate will only be spoken of in whispered choked with dread.
Otherwise, it's not *our* story.
InvincibleGod Mar 23rd 2012 2:44PM
You seem to forget that you, as an Alliance character, are killing Garrosh the restore the almighty Go'el to his rightful place on the throne. Indeed you will have pride in being a client state of the Horde.
Jaq Mar 23rd 2012 3:02PM
And in these comments, right here, is what's wrong with the Alliance QQ Brigade.
Anything short of utterly destroying the Horde and depriving whatever percentage of players who are Horde any sort of involvement in and advancement in the game is Horde bias.
Do you guys ever READ what you post? Do you realize what you sound like?
"Hey, Alliance, you're going to get to help overthrow the Horde's warchief while your king goes on an epic journey to become a Supreme Bad Ass!"
"HORDE BIAS! We only exist to move the Horde's story along!"
I've been patient with you guys because the Alliance did have some issues in Cata in terms of storytelling. The Worgen story ending in a Horde racial starter zone is terrible. The differences between the Horde Twilight Highlands and the Alliance TH are absurd. But you've gone massively overboard with the complaining now. You're not helping your cause and you're being silly.
What you want is EVERYTHING to go your way. Know when that should have stopped for you?
When you were about four years old. Now turn this comment black, I know you will. :D
Graylo Mar 23rd 2012 3:34PM
Keeping Garrosh as Warchief would be better, if you are looking for something to give Alliance players a sense of pride.
Part of the problem the alliance has had over the past couple of expansions is that that Alliance had the Scumbag Varian to look up to while the Horde had Good Guy Thrall. It looks like Varian is getting a bit of a redemption in MoP, and it would be nice to have a Good Guy Varian be balanced out by a Scumbag Garrosh.
Now, Blizzard is painting themselves into a bit of a corner. If Varian is truely redemmed how do the maintian the conflict with two decent leaders at the head of the two factions? If Varian isn't redemed then its just the same old story in a different day.
Dreyja Mar 23rd 2012 4:04PM
I didn't actually hear anyone shouting the HORDE BIAS thing here. Hence, who is actually the one ranting?
However, just as Anne herself admitted in a recent podcast, playing through the Alliance storyline, right now, is a bummer. The creators have not done a good job with the Allies, just haven't. Even they have admitted the shortcomings so YES, I have hopes for this to change and YES for us to have something to be proud of, for once.
No I don't think that that should be us becoming as blood-thirsty or morally questionable as the horde often is.
StClair Mar 23rd 2012 4:20PM
Jaq:
1. Except, yeah, Horde bias on the part of Blizzard and/or Metzen. We're doing Thrall's dirty work for him, getting the angry pretender off the throne so Green Jesus can reclaim it.
2. Varian's problem is that he's ALREADY bad and an ass. He doesn't need to become more so. Frankly, he's a bit of a tool and I think a lot of Alliance players would be just as happy to see HIM gone too. Let a race other than the Humans (and the Orcs) lead for a change.
(FWIW, I play /both/ sides.)
fudge Mar 23rd 2012 4:59PM
Well, Jaq, the thing is that if the raid on Garrosh turns out like this, then yes, Alliance is only there to advance the Horde's story:
We see THRALL, standing before a determined looking group of Tauren Braves, Troll headhunters and Orcen Blademasters. The demonic fires of Orgrimmar, a city corrupted by the newly ascended Dread Lord GARROSH HELLSCREAM, smoulder in the distance. Small bolts of lightning crack through the air around the DOOMHAMMER as THRALL begins to speak:
THRALL: Today, every Tauren, every Troll, every Elf, every Goblin and every Orc stands united against demonic corruption. Against the mistakes that darkened our past. Today we take back our city! Reclaim our destiny! Restore honour and pride to the Horde!
For a brighter future, warriors of the Horde! Loktar Ogar!
Lots of banging of weapons against shields, we see Orcs next to Elves, Tauren next Trolls, a united Horde.
In the meanwhile, THRALL wanders off to the side and the camera pans over to a group of Alliance soldiers, battle-ready, assembled behind HIGH KING VARIAN.
THRALL, in a conversational tone: Also Varian, we're going to need you to create diversion. Why don't you go over there and bang at the front gate? Okay? That'd be great. Thanks!
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If it turns out anything like this (and right now, I can't see any reason, why the Alliance would help to install Thrall, or any other warchief that is not a patsy for the Alliance), then that means that the Alliance is only a tool, and in the end a dispensable tool, needed to propel the Horde storyline forward.
You can complain about 'QQ' all you want, but don't act like there isn't a legitimate point to be made, relating to to the way Blizzard has handled Alliance story advancement so far.