Blame Cairne for being an old stubborn bull. That all started because he accused Garrosh for something he never did.

Yeah, I mean, it's not like Cairne willingly went into a fight to the death knowing he could die.

It's also not like he challenged Garrosh himself.

I actually hope that Garrosh's tale is one of redemption. Hopefully in our final stand against him the powers that have been manipulating him will come forward and he will rise up and defend the horde. If he dies I hope it is a death of honor, and not simply us killing a bloodraging boss.

I want there to be real depth to this story. I feel like Garroh's failure to see how he was controlled during his fight with Cairne should come back to the forefront. His blind desire to become a hero for the orc's will be the character's downfall. Garrosh is a bad leader, but I can't imagine a sadder end than becoming the beast that stole so much from his father.

It's not like I wanted him dead, but Cairne knew the risks. Unless you consider Cairne to be some sort of bully, 100% sure of his superiority, who wanted to murder an orc in public? In either case, lucky Garrosh, stupid Garrosh, not evil Garrosh.

Yeah, have to say, Garrosh was more the victim of circumstance, there. If anything negative about his character was to come out of that, it'd be how his reaction to being betrayed by Magatha was the same as his reaction to pretty much every other problem he's faced since Wrath: throw loads and loads of troops at it.

ITT, posters who forget that:
A. Garrosh requested/insisted that the duel be to the death, rather than to submission.
B. Garrosh's weapon was poisoned... It's arguable that he should've/could've been able to tell that something was tampered with along the way.

Still, a duel to the death is a duel to the death. But it wasn't a fair duel.

I could be off base, but I thought Cairne went into the fight expecting that Garrosh would defeat him. That could certainly have been someone else's interpretation or analysis that I'm confusing with the actual story, though. It breaks my heart, and still makes me angry that Cairne fell to such treachery, but it's obviously impossible to wholly blame Garrosh for that.

Cairne's death was tragic, but I would actually prefer to see Magatha Grimtotem dead than Garrosh, to be honest.

Yes but LOOK at who he was manipulated by! It was Garrosh's arrogant disregard for the wiser people that Thrall surrounded him with (and TOLD him to seek council from) that caused him to fall into Magatha's clutches with the littlest bit of flattery.

Yes. I. Blame. Him! I always will. Everyone with half a brain mistrusted Magatha but again, Garrosh's idiotic pride walked him right into her trap. His idiocy murdered Cairne. He was a tool, literally and figuratively.

Cairne was only half wrong and even the book had us all believing that Garrosh may in fact have been behind the flaying of the sentinels and the murder of the druids. The details of the crime aside Cairne was right about just how bad Garrosh is/was for the Horde.

I can't wait to see him taken down and I HONESTLY hope his is humiliated rather than killed. It is the end he deserves. I hope that Baine and Vol'Jiin are the ones to bring that pain.

*points upward* What Dreyja said. She pretty much took the words from my mouth.

I mean, Garrosh took the horns of Mannorath to decorate his wardrobe with, and is welcome is not "Have you come to serve the Horde?" (which emphasis group work and a greater purpose), but "Hellscream's eyes are upon you" which is perhaps one of the most arrogant things I have ever heard. He has been pretty much setting himself up as god-like in his mighty might, and he NEEDS to be smacked down.

Now, would I like for him to die in order to have the satisfaction of seeing it? Yeeesssss. Preferably by both Baine and Vol'jin's hands. But it would also be interesting to see him be exiled and slowly redeem himself.

@ Dreyja

Good point, now I hate Garrosh even more! Also, as I remember the Vol'jin short story, it was rather obvious something was wrong as the poison took hold and before Garrosh finished him, and that was what I remember bothering me the most. Did Garrosh really think his glancing blow had disarmed Cairne? Grrrr, my blood is boiling now.

Shoggoth does have a good point, though, in that Cairne knew the risks. It also goes to show how much Cairne was willing to risk for his people and the Horde as a whole. I really hope we see Baine develop as a leader and do his old man proud over this next expansion.

I still want to kill Magatha, too, though!

Oh agreed. This is why, while I BLAME Garrosh for Cairne's death I don't call him the murderer. He's just a very harmful idiot who helped Magatha murder Cairne.

Both demand justice but I don't call him a murder for that. Now, what he did to manipulate certain gigantic creatures into attacking the Night Elves... THAT is flat out kidnapping and evil. (avoiding spoilers). :)

@ Tauren fan - Oh honey, we ALL want to take her down. ;) I hope we get it this time. Blizz may keep her around as a convenient baddy for both sides though. We shall see. :) (*P.S. I still hate that the Tauren are on the opposite side to my dwarfie-gals. *TAUREN HUGS*) X-p

@roseclown

You know when he says "Hellscream's eyes are upon you", he means his father, right?

I have to disagree about the arrogance thing on the "Hellscream's Eyes" bit. It's not a claim to power; it's a mantra. Live and fight as though the eyes of your warchief were upon you at all times. Most people work their hardest when they know they are being watched and judged for it; "Hellscream's eyes are upon you" tells you to work that hard, with honor and strength, all the time--not just to impress your betters. In that sense, I think it works pretty well.

It's certainly less arrogant than the nigh-on prayer "Dark Lady watch over you."