Know Your Lore: The haunting legacy of Grom Hellscream
Let's just cut to the chase here: It was revealed in the press event information that Garrosh Hellscream, current Warchief of the Horde, will have his reign abruptly ended in Mists of Pandaria. The son of the great Grom Hellscream will no longer be Warchief, and it's not only the Alliance that will be participating in his dethroning -- it's the Horde as well. Though it may seem like a rash course of action, in all honesty, this has been coming for a very, very long time.I chose Garrosh because he has the strength to lead our people through these trying times. For all my supposed wisdom, there have been moments that I've barely been able to hold the Horde together. The Wrath Gate and Undercity displayed that clearly.
The Horde cries for a hero of old. An orc of true blood that will bow to no human and bear no betrayal. A warrior that will make our people proud again. Garrosh can be that hero. I did not make this decision lightly, Vol'jin.
I know our alliances will suffer for it. I know the Horde will be irreversibly changed. But I made this choice with confidence that Garrosh is exactly what the Horde needs. I'm trusting you and the other leaders to not let this divide our people. You are stronger than that.
After all, he is the son of Hellscream.

Grom Hellscream was a part of the old Horde of the days before the Dark Portal and the journey to Azeroth. He was an orc of the old ways, when reputation was built not by words and negotiation but by raw displays of power and brutality. He was a warrior and a leader, ruthless and cunning.
And he was the first of all the orcs to willingly drink the blood of the demon Mannoroth. It wasn't out of respect to the Burning Legion or any willingness to serve that he drank. It was the fact that within the blood lay power, and more power meant more prestige within the Horde. Grom drank and led the way for the rest of the orc clans, ensuring their corruption.
It was a selfish action, but it wasn't until years later that it occurred to Grom exactly what he'd done. After fleeing through the Dark Portal as Draenor tore itself apart, Grom and what was left of the Warsong Clan fled, hiding out in the Eastern Kingdoms and keeping a low profile. It was a position that Hellscream wasn't used to, and it gave him time to do something he hadn't done in a long time, if ever -- to think about his actions and the consequences of those actions.

Grom helped Thrall do just that and traveled with the new Warchief to Kalimdor to start a new life. But when push came to shove, when Grom was once again faced with the decision to either retreat or once more drink the fel-tainted blood of a pit lord, Grom chose power and glory over simple self-preservation. And when Thrall caught wind of what he'd done and freed him once more from Mannoroth's control and brought him to his senses, a furious (if contrite) Grom Hellscream traveled with Thrall to put an end to Mannoroth and free the orcs from the blood curse once and for all.
He died a hero. He died having freed his people from the enslavement he'd pressed them into unwittingly so many years before. But in the end ... he died.

Grom left behind something Thrall didn't know about: his son. And Garrosh Hellscream had no knowledge of Thrall or of his father's fate. In fact, all he knew was that his father was the first to drink of the demon's blood and pave the way for the orc's corruption, something that was thrown in his face every day in the tiny village of Mag'har survivors. Mag'har. Untainted -- untouched by the sins of Garrosh's father. Garrosh could not bear the shame of his father's choice, and indeed spent much of his formative years listless and unhappy -- and who could blame him, really? What kind of bloodline did he have to live up to?
But just as Thrall showed up for his father Grom at Grom's darkest hour of introspection, Thrall showed up for the younger Hellscream and delivered him from his depression. Thrall showed Garrosh that his father may have made mistakes, but he died a hero. Garrosh went from an orc in the darkness of depression to an orc desperately trying to live up to his father's reputation.
Thrall took Grom's son to Azeroth. He introduced Garrosh to the idea of the new Horde. He tried to show him the ways of diplomacy and negotiation. And Garrosh didn't really understand the ideals that Thrall was trying to teach him. How could he? He was an orc of Draenor, an orc raised in the ideals and thinking of old. To Garrosh, the life of an orc had always been simple -- show your power, show your strength, and the world will shower you with glory and affection. Live in weakness, and the world will walk all over you.

Garrosh Hellscream led the march into Northrend, and he led his forces in the way an orc of the old ways should -- by conquering wherever possible and never showing an ounce of weakness. The Kor'kron guard fought with ruthless and brutal efficiency guided by Garrosh's orders. In the end they were victorious, and the Lich King fell. Garrosh returned a hero, having led the Horde to victory, and the Horde embraced him wholeheartedly as a result.

But here's the thing -- there's a curious sort of similarity between the story of Garrosh so far and the story of his father. The common factor in both of these stories is Thrall. Grom drank the blood of Mannoroth and spent a chunk of his life hiding in the forests of the Eastern Kingdoms, regretting his actions and the fate of the orcs, doomed to live in internment camps. Garrosh spent most of his youth in Garadar, glumly living in the shadow of his father's sins, waiting for the inevitable day when Greatmother Geyah passed on and the Mag'har simply faded away.
For both, the arrival of Thrall was a mixed blessing. Grom didn't know anything about Thrall. He found it odd Thrall couldn't speak more than a word or two of orcish, but something about Thrall inspired Grom to move on and brought back the heart and passion he'd lost after the Second War. As for Garrosh, Thrall's arrival showed him quite literally that his father was a hero, and that he didn't have a shadow to live under; instead, he had a hero to live up to. For both, it was an awakening.
And when Grom traveled to Kalimdor, acknowledging Thrall as his new Warchief, he fell back to his old way of thinking, trying his hardest to bring honor and glory to the Horde no matter what the cost. Thrall gave him explicit orders to leave the humans alone, but Grom went ahead and murdered a camp of humans in Stonetalon anyway, largely because he didn't understand how Thrall's peaceful thinking could get the orcs anywhere in the world. And when sent on a menial task as punishment, Grom instead found himself faced once more with the choice of drinking the blood of a demon or retreating and bringing shame to himself and to the new Horde. And there was no way a Hellscream was going to live with the shame of defeat.

That's where Garrosh flourished. He led the orcs the best he could, just as his father had. He led them in the same fashion that Grom led the forces of the new Horde into the forests of Ashenvale, determined to prove that he would bring honor and glory to the Horde and show Thrall that his ways were strange and quite possibly wrong. Warchief Thrall did the unthinkable at this point -- he agreed with Garrosh. Not only did he agree, he stepped down and gave Garrosh the mantle of Warchief, expecting him to lead the Horde in his absence.
And just as Grom traveled with Thrall to put an end to Mannoroth and save the Horde from the fel corruption it had brought upon itself for good, Garrosh took the position of Warchief and led the Horde in a manner that would bring them prosperity and plenitude, no matter what the cost. Both Garrosh and Grom had moments in which they demonstrated honor and mercy; both were fully aware of these basic tenets of orc philosophy, but neither ceased in their relentless task.
The mantle of Warchief is Garrosh's Mannoroth. Think about that for a moment.
The folly of Thrall
In between all of this is Thrall, inexorably locked to his fate just as Grom was to his and Garrosh is to his own. In Garrosh, Thrall saw his old friend, the hotheaded orc who had a moment of very real regret for his actions, the orc who spoke with ferocity and bluster but underneath it all keenly regretted the decisions he'd made. When Thrall brought Garrosh to Azeroth, he wasn't just bringing him out of some wish to see him grow or out of some debt to his father. Thrall was trying, in his own way, to change history.
Thrall looked at Grom as an older brother, one who had fallen into darkness, and Thrall led patiently back into the light. But the path Thrall paved for Grom didn't work out, and Thrall likely thought the majority of that was to do with the demonic blood that still taints the orcs of Azeroth today. Grom died, and a little part of Thrall died with him. In Garrosh, Thrall saw a second chance, a chance to change the fate of the Hellscream line for the better. So he brought Garrosh to Orgrimmar to show him the ways of the new Horde, and he expected Garrosh to fall into line and accept his strange way of thinking.
Because to the orcs of the old world, the orcs of Draenor, the orcs born in a time before the internment camps, Thrall's way of thinking is very strange. When Thrall stepped down as Warchief, it was partially to explore his roots as a shaman -- but there was likely a part of him that realized perhaps Grom was right, way back when. Perhaps Grom was correct in his line of reasoning. Perhaps the Horde weren't meant for that ideal vision of the world that Thrall so desperately wanted to bring into being. Perhaps it wasn't ready for it.

But what Thrall failed to realize was that Grom and Garrosh are cut from the same cloth. They are Hellscream; they are mighty warriors of the old ways. They were both born and bred thinking that power and strength was the only way to survive in the world -- and in the world of the old Horde, this was absolutely true. Garrosh isn't corrupted by demon blood as his father was, but he is and always will be corrupted by the idea of absolute power ultimately deciding his place in the world. He will do anything to remain on top. He will do anything to bring his idea of honor and glory to the Horde.
The only shred of hope remaining for Garrosh is that not once has it been deliberately stated that he will die. Check the interviews. It is always very carefully stated that Garrosh is taken down, but never once does the word death enter the picture. Perhaps Garrosh can be redeemed, just like his father -- but unlike his father, perhaps Garrosh can live on, with better understanding of what it means to be a Hellscream and what it means to be Horde in this new age.

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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 5)
Marolas Mar 25th 2012 6:17PM
"It is always very carefully stated that Garrosh is taken down, but never once does the word death enter the picture."
I'm so glad I'm not the only one who picked up on that. Only time will tell how Garrosh's plotline will ultimately unfold.
As an Alliance player, I'm excited to see his comeuppance, but regardless of his life or death in the end, his departure from the mantle of Warchief will have lasting repercussions throughout the World of Warcraft for months, if not years.
Drexai Mar 25th 2012 8:21PM
http://www.wowwiki.com/Glory_(story)
A good insight to how the current generation of Orcs felt during WotLK on Thrallʼs Horde versus the Old Horde (which differs from what Saurfang thinks but itʼs possible that heʼs the exception and not the rule for his generation). I think players discount that our characters are a minority of heroes with a different insight while the bulk of the Horde are NPCs that donʼt necessarily have the same motivations. Our story is not the whole story of Warcraft.
Peebers Mar 26th 2012 3:28AM
right?! c'mon now, we all know that defeating a raid boss doesnt mean theyre dead. i think it's going to be big fun spanking garrosh until he learns a lesson =)
Mike Mar 25th 2012 6:31PM
Good post. However, cutting to the chase, Garrosh is set up as the perfect fall for the sake of making the alliance show there strength against the horde. How else can the alliance conquer the horde, unless it has a corrupt leader like Garrosh in charge and giving them them the chance to kill him.
Garrosh has commited crimes, war crimes, he isn't a nice guy, he is a bad bad man. The reality is redemption can not come for Garrosh, because as you say, he is a hellscream, he will not give up on his conquest, he will never agree to any proposal with Varian for peace, and well he lives the horde will forever be flung into a bloody war with the alliance.
Garrosh proved one thing, it didn't take demons blood to make a hellscream follow in this path, it comes naturally to him. And to point out it isn't about the orcs of old, because there are many orcs of old who would welcome peace. This is just a hellscream thing, this is just a warsong thing.
Garrosh will die, because the alliance needs a victory now against the horde to make them happy, since they have been whining constantly though cata about feeling like the underdogs, Nevermind this is how the horde has been for years, but I guess alliance players can't handle that feeling.
RyanEX2000 Mar 25th 2012 6:49PM
Come again? Alliance lore and story has always taken a backseat to Horde development. And in a way it's understandable. The Alliance was already pretty much made by the time WoW rolled around (though they've yet to really explain how and why the Night Elves joined the Alliance) while the Horde was still new and fresh and with plenty of room for development.
Until Wrath the one interesting thing the Alliance had was the "Grand Masquerade" quest. And even in Wrath, a supposedly "Alliance xpac" there was a lot of development highlighting the Horde under Garrosh. It's about damn time we get some true Alliance character development that all the sissies that can't be assed to pick up a book can see run it's course.
Daisyfizzi Mar 25th 2012 6:55PM
I honestly don't mind being an underdog, as long as the story is a good one. However, the Alliance story in Cataclysm was sub standard (take the story of Gilneas for example, having the Gilneans spirited away to Teldrassil whilst the Horde got to see the rest of the story was bad storytelling). The Alliance story as a whole wasn't bad, just too much of it was 'away from the cameras' either in Horde quests or the books.
That said, I hope Garrosh isn't killed, it would make a much better story for him to be redeemed to some degree (haven't we lost enough leaders?), but I fear his fate is sealed. The way the character has been portrayed makes me think he won't take any degree of diplomacy toward the Alliance lying down, once Thrall takes back the mantle of Warchief it makes no sense for Garrosh to capitulate, especially since we've just given him a beating. I honestly hope they can find some way to swing it, but I'm guessing he's a goner.
Daisyfizzi Mar 25th 2012 6:58PM
Forgot to add, I read the books, I just wish there was more in game regarding the plot developments in the books. WTB an edit button:)
paul.morales91 Mar 25th 2012 7:12PM
This might shock you, but as an Alliance player, I don't want Garrosh to die. Yes, I would like the Alliance to grow a pair and push back the Horde. Yes, I would like the Alliance to give Garrosh a swift kick in the ass and dethrone him. But the whole "this guy is evil now, so now he needs to die" thing is, frankly, and overused story line in the warcraft universe. It happend with Illidan, Arthas, Deathwing (all of whom were expansion poster-boys mind you) and looks like it'll happen with Jaina soon. For once I want a "this guy is evil, so we need to beat him up and show him the error of his ways" kind of thing.
Ideally, what I want is this: the Alliance storms the gates of Orgrimmar, the horde is spread too thin in Kalimdor and doesn't have the man power to hold them off, and the Horde is utterly defeated. Garrosh will kneel before Varian in shame and defeat, and even when Jaina, Vol'jin, and even Garrosh himself telling Varian to kill him, Varian will sheath his sword and walk away. This, to me, is the ideal outcome. Varian becomes the leader the Alliance can stand behind, and Garrosh's story becomes open to possibility.
Mike Mar 25th 2012 7:47PM
@paul.morales91. forgive me, but that seems unrealistic, because you assume once Varian shows mercy to Garrosh and lets him live, that Garrosh will be sooo thankful he becomes best buddies with Varian, agrees to change his wicked ways, makes a peace treaty and does a complete personality revamp yet again?
You need to understand the context of what a hellscream is, Garrosh, despite being a thug, a bully, a racist, a warmonger, a killer and worse, he is still a hellscream, and would die rather then relent to bowing on one knee before his enemy.
Orcs by nature would sooner die then relent and bow down before there enemies. For all his faults, Garrosh is one of those orcs that would sooner kill himself then agree to peace with humans.
I see what your trying to hope for, but its just not cannon, Garrosh won't agree to something like that, too many people want him dead, and even if Varian did try for mercy, proving to be the better man, Garrosh would simply raise up swining Gorehowl in an attempt to cleave Varian's head off, right before he gets shot in the chest by Vol'jin, or by Jaina's ice shard.
Throm Mar 25th 2012 7:49PM
Thats probably the best outcome, Paul. By granting Garrosh mercy, he will have failed the principal he works so hard to enforce: Victory or Death.
And then Vol'Jin shoots him in the ass.
paul.morales91 Mar 25th 2012 9:24PM
@Mike I never said Garrosh and Varian would become best friends. Yes, Garrosh would rather die than be spared. While a human would view it as mercy, an orc would view it as a disgrace and dishonorable. But you know what's even more of a disgrace? Taking one's own life.
So maybe Garrosh would rather be struck down than live to fight another day, but what better way is there to bring shame to your name than to kill yourself? So no, he wouldn't agree by any stretch of the imagination, but its not his choice. As the victor, it would be Varians. And this is why Varian sparing Garrosh's life would be the best outcome: beaten, broken, and embarassed, Garrosh would be forced to do something he hasn't done in a very long time: think.
@Throm Since when has the human moto or Varian's moto been victory or death? Go back to Orgrimmar, that kind of view has no place in Stormwind.
Tabasa Mar 25th 2012 10:02PM
@paul - I think Throm was saying Garrosh would be failing his motto by being spared, not that Varian would.
For someone who so strongly advocates the motto of "victory or death", to be denied both would probably be the greatest defeat Garrosh could suffer.
clundgren Mar 26th 2012 6:56AM
@Paul,
So all you want is for the Horde to be "utterly defeated." How do you think that will go over with Horde players?
Has the Alliance been utterly defeated in Cataclysm? Not one Alliance-controlled zone switched to Horde. A few formerly contested zones did...because prior to Cataclysm the Alliance controlled 50% more zones than the Horde did, and to make proper leveling paths, the main point of the 1-60 revamp, the Horde had to be given more zones. And even so, the Alliance still controls one more zone than the Horde.
The fighting on Kalimdor haas been pretty much a wash. Ashenvale is still stalemated (in the game; in Lore the Alliance is advancing); Stonetalon is still contested but the Horde are ascendant; the Alliance are strongly into Southern Barrens and besieging Mulgore; there are even Alliance in Durotar. Ashenvale is now firmly Horde...but prior to Cataclysm it was pretty much deserted by both sides (weirdly, as it is on Orgrimar's doorstep and is a hell of a lot more appealing than Durotar).
Eastern Kingdoms is the story of Sylvanas on the warpath, but Silverpine and Hillsbrad had to go to the Forsaken so they would have a three zone leveling path like the other races. The only other Horde/Alliance conflict of note in the old zones is a firm Alliance victory in Swamp of Sorrows.
I agree that the orde has been on the offensive this expac, and I also agree that the Alliance story could use some more cohesion. I further agree that Thrall was a lousy choice of protagonist, since that was bound to irritate some Alliance players (ditto for Malfurion, but he is less of a presence). But there has to be some sense of proportion. Going from "the Horde was ascendant in Cataclysm" to "therefore, the Horde must be utterly defeated in Mist of Pandaria" is not remotely proportional. And it's extreme positions like that, that make the Alliance QQ so hard to take.
Killik Mar 26th 2012 8:47AM
Varian leading the Alliance to utterly defeating the Horde, then sheathing his sword and walking away... wouldn't even be a good story for the Alliance.
What sort of idiot would fight all the way to total victory and then retreat, throwing away all advantage so as to enjoy the fighting another day? That's not noble, it's foolish - who could respect a leader like that?
Blayze Mar 26th 2012 4:49PM
Except that's apparently what will end up happening, because "moral high ground" in fiction always seems to mean Lawful Stupid.
RyanEX2000 Mar 27th 2012 7:07AM
@Clundgren
It's not just Cata. Cata just made it more obvious. Let's take a step back in time.
The Forsaken are seen developing a plague, with assistance players and some Tauren (probably Grimtotem) back in Vanilla and testing it on captured human prisoners. They also blatantly assault the npcs around Dalaran (wearing Dalaran tabards) and yet said city allows them into their city in Wrath. Basically all the quests in Hillsbrad involved Tarren Mill fucking up Southshore.
In Arathi the Horde are clearly dominant with their questlines leading to the death of the heir to Stromgarde (who becomes a horde questgiver in Cata).
These are just a few examples are these are events older players most likely remember. MoP is the FIRST xpac where the Alliance are basically well and truely fed up being the nice guys and shrugging off aggression for the sake of the "greater good". And without Jaina playing miss goody-goody you'll have an Alliance firmly behind the idea that enough is enough.
Should the Alliance win out and out? No, the Horde aren't pussies (cept for them there Blood Elves) so they'll fight tooth and nail even if their warchief is turning into a gibbering idiot.
Should the Alliance gain ascendency? This is trickier. The Alliance has been held back by the fact that they've never been all behind the idea of war, and the fact that it's basically a democracy holds it back. But it has been stated that the Alliance should they get 100% behind the war would have a technological and magical edge over the Horde. That and the fact that the Alliance is, as a whole, far more tightly knit than the Horde.
The Forsaken and Belves view is that it's an alliance of necessity. And although people liked to cite that Sylvanas was really loyal to the Horde that is now in open debate.
Pyromelter Mar 25th 2012 6:34PM
"The Kor'kron guard fought with ruthless and brutal efficiency guided by Garrosh's orders."
As part of that vanguard, I fought for Saurfang, NOT for the usurper Hellscream. If you go back to Warsong Hold in Borean Tundra, you see Saurfang being a leader, and Hellscream being a livid hothead. Did Garrosh ever actually give an order? Or did he just seethe like a coked-up steroid-infused meathead doing pullups for 2 years?
I still believe that most of the orcs, and the Horde, are loyal to Thrall and to Saurfang, and most of us were disappointed that Thrall made Hellscream the Warchief, not Saurfang.
You're definitely right about Thrall in regards to Hellscream, he definitely had some blinders on in regards to Garrosh, because of his relationship with Grom. One might suspect that Grom not being able to raise Garrosh may have made Garrosh an even bigger hothead bully with abandonment issues.
Pyromelter Mar 25th 2012 7:58PM
Something else to add:
The entirety of orc culture was not the exact same as the Warsong Clan, who's political philosophy was completely as Anne describes it, all about strength and power. The Frostwolf Clan did not share that philosophy, they were shamanic, and attempted to live in tune with the elements. While that meant being strong to defend their clan, they have no strong desire for chopping off heads and world domination.
It bugs me when both Anne and Matt continually pound on this idea that Garrosh represents the entirety of what orcs stand for.
For example, Anne wrote:
"He was an orc of Draenor, an orc raised in the ideals and thinking of old. To Garrosh, the life of an orc had always been simple -- show your power, show your strength, and the world will shower you with glory and affection. Live in weakness, and the world will walk all over you."
This was just frankly not the case for all orc clans - similar to how there are different "tribes" of humans on earth, where not all of us share the same systems of governance, social morals, etc. The quests in Stonebreaker Hold in Terokkar Forest should be enough to show us that not all orcs are these complete bloodthirsty animals, like Hellscream is.
We could probably assume that most orcs were somewhere on a continuum between the more peaceful Frostwolves and the power hungry Warsong Clan. But I would hope in the future, both Matt and Anne could acknowledge that Garrosh is not the pinnacle of what an Orc stands for, because the in-game lore just does not back up those types of declarations.
Tabasa Mar 25th 2012 8:01PM
Keep in mind that the majority of the Horde's citizens didn't actually go to Northrend, though, and even amongst those that did, Saurfang's leadership was considerably more understated (by his own wishes), and most of the Horde, the orcs especially, saw Garrosh as the real leader there.
Yes, we as players saw what really went on, but by and large, we're the exception, not the rule. Even on that end, we weren't with Garrosh 24/7 in Wrath, and so we can't speak to everything he did do while we were out and about in Northrend. For all we know, he could have been doing some very effective commanding and strategizing while we weren't there to see it. Everything in the books and the game itself seems to portray Garrosh's leadership in Northrend as a mixed bag of very good management of a war machine combined with blunders as a result of poor judgement, which seems very much in character for Garrosh. He doesn't deserve all of the credit for the Horde's successes in Northrend, but saying he didn't do anything there isn't fair either.
At least as of the beginning of Cataclysm, story-wise, Garrosh is extremely popular amongst at least a sizable portion of the orcs. The rest of the Horde is another story, but unless I'm mistaken (which is totally possible, so feel free to correct me on this point) lore-wise the orcs are the most plentiful race in the Horde and have the most influence within it by far.
Obviously something is going to happen during MoP to change how the orcs view him, but Garrosh as a leader has had a pretty big following, at least initially, by the orcs as a race. He wouldn't have accomplished nearly as much as he did in Kalimdor if the entirety of the Horde thought his leadership was a mistake and half-heartedly followed along with his rule.
Pyromelter Mar 25th 2012 10:07PM
"Garrosh is extremely popular amongst at least a sizable portion of the orcs."
Saurfang and Drek'Thar would not be amongst that population, and there are plenty of orcs that follow their lead. So while there may be a sizable amount of orcs that like Garrosh, there is also a large amount (if not a majority) of orcs who don't really like him or what he's doing.