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3-27-2012 @ 1:11PM
I can't be the only person who WANTS raid loot tokens to still be tradeable. If I keep getting, say, a leg token week after week after week, and someone in the group sincerely needs it, why can't I be nice and give it to them? Or is that against the EULA? :P
3-27-2012 @ 1:26PM
I think a lot of people would argue that, were you truly "nice", you wouldn't be rolling on that leg token (in order to win it) week after week if you didn't actually need it (which I imagine you don't, if you're actively looking to give it away)... buuuuuut, who are we to judge?
3-27-2012 @ 1:42PM
Items will still be tradeable for normal and heroic raids.The new non-tradeable loot system is only for raid finder and world bosses, where you are likely to be pugging.If you get an item you can't use, you can vendor it. It will be as if you didn't win an item and only got gold from the boss.Personally, I think a system like this is long overdue for cross-server pugging, where there is no community pressure for decent loot behavior.
3-27-2012 @ 1:44PM
It would be nice if someday you could take the token and exchange it for the one you want/need. One step at a time though. This is a good step in the right direction.
3-27-2012 @ 1:53PM
I think the person means in the new loot rules come Mists, where there won't be a trading option. If the game keeps handing you something you already have, you can't give it away, you're stuck with DE/vendor/delete. At least I think thats what they meant.
3-27-2012 @ 2:13PM
@ Swifteye, In the new system you won't be making the choice to need so you can get duplicate tokens unintentionaly. Now this isn't bad for multi-role classes, but I agree with Queens that raid finder tokens should be tradable. Since you can't trade gold to a cross server pug all you could do is give away extra tokens or be mean and not give them away.
3-27-2012 @ 2:31PM
@Shepherd:The ability to trade tokens under the new system would defeat the purpose of the new rolling system, which is to reduce loot drama.If you could still trade tokens, the current drama-filled system would remain intact.By making every member of the pug a loot island, unconnected and untouchable by others, the elements contributing to drama are removed.
3-27-2012 @ 2:47PM
"but I agree with Queens that raid finder tokens should be tradable. Since you can't trade gold to a cross server pug all you could do is give away extra tokens or be mean and not give them away."And since one of the goals of the new system is to keep folks from laying guilt trips on each other, there's no way that that's going to go in. They had their chance at the tier token that week.Since the game knows your spec, I wouldn't be surprised to see that the game doesn't drop tier tokens in LFR; rather, it'll drop the actual tier item that matches your spec. Not a guarantee, I know, but it fits.
3-27-2012 @ 2:54PM
Swifteye:I meant in the new system, not the current LFR one.
3-27-2012 @ 3:20PM
It seems counter-intuitive, but being able to trade the items would adversely affect the system. For one, as Ghostcrawler mentions, one of the points is to alleviate any pressure from others in the raid to give your loot to someone (supposedly) more deserving. If you have no choice - no pressure.Secondly, with this new system, everyone's roll is independent of everyone else's, so if I understand it correctly, in a 10 man raid, 10 people could, theoretically, win loot off of one boss. Some of that loot will not be usable (because it's a duplicate or not an upgrade, etc.). If trading was enabled, it would screw with the odds of loot distribution because something not useable to you might be useable to someone else, even though they technically did not win it, so they would have to lower the likelihood of loot dropping to keep it from giving out useable loot too quickly.It's just like with any other soul-bound item that you get from quests or rep. Sure it would be nice, sometimes, to be able to give that to someone else, but that would screw with the distribution tables of the game, which is why you can't.
3-27-2012 @ 4:06PM
I make a point of rolling need on items I already have. Then, if I win, say, another Gurthalak, I trade it to someone who can actually use it and is in the appropriate spec.
3-27-2012 @ 7:30PM
No, you're not. I have had far more positive experiences trading loot in LFR than negative ones. I think the big difference is simply attitude. That guy won, I lost. If I cuss him out, I never get the loot he's already wearing. So I ask nicely. That thing my mother always told me to do. Well, turns out she was right and people are much friendlier if you ask nicely!And maybe I was skimming, but did it say that other people int he new loot system would know who got loot? If so, why the hell would they need that information? And if not, why can't I trade the legs I just got for the 5th time, since there is absolutely zero pressure on me to even reveal that I got them?
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