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3-27-2012 @ 11:15AM
Right now, DPS specs can tank or heal vanilla dungeons just fine. Mists will remove many of the healing and tanking spells from the DPS specs. Will this mean the death of off-spec tanking an healing at lower levels?
3-27-2012 @ 11:36AM
I sure hope so. As a healer running instances in the mid 30s now, every time a warrior shows up as tank specced as arms, disaster ensues, and four people's time is wasted.
3-27-2012 @ 12:07PM
What I don't get is - why wouldn't they just spec Prot and insta-queue? Even into the 60s, I regularly lead the meters while tanking as a prot warrior (In all BoAs admittedly, and pretty good gear to boot), so it's not like "I want to do more damage" is a good reason for queueing as a DPS spec. And it's not like dual specing is expensive these days.And - saying that you can't level via questing in a tanking spec is also just ridiculous. On that same prot warrior, I just pull half the map and then AoE them down. Honestly, it takes longer to loot the corpses than it does to kill them! Seems just lazy to me. If you're gonna queue, be speced for the role you're filling. That's not just common sense, it's common courtesy. (Note - I'm not into the healing thing, so I'm sure this doesn't necessarily apply to healers)
3-27-2012 @ 12:46PM
I'd like it if you couldn't queue for a dungeon as a tank or healer whilst in your DPS spec, but I'm not sure how feasible it is to implement this and there are potential hiccups (see below). If MoP is going to remove a lot of tanking and healing abilities from DPS hybrids, something like this needs to happen. I've already seen three very confused new players try to tank SFK as a shield-less DPS warrior and it can hardly be much fun for them to have the group shouting at them. It certainly wasn't fun to heal.I can see potential problems with this idea. What if you're a druid, levelling as balance/resto? If you're out questing while you wait for a dungeon pop, you'd have the choice of killing things more slowly in you healing spec, or sitting in a long queue as balance. A possible workaround - which might be far too complex to implement, I don't know - would be to allow players to queue for roles appropriate to both their specs. Before level 30, your ret paladin can only queue as DPS, but after 30 when he's dual-specced for prot, he can queue as a tank as well.
3-27-2012 @ 1:02PM
While my warrior was leveled long before Cata, I leveled my paladin as prot and yeah, the bigger issue was gathering a large enough group up to be worth killing. (lots of stuff is leashed real tight now)But, I'd love it if once you had dual spec you could queue as either spec and when you clicked "accept" to enter the dungeon, it'd change your spec to what you need for the role.
3-27-2012 @ 2:37PM
The funny thing to me is that lately I've been leveling a priest as an A/A Disco priest (aka Atonement priest). If the tank is using a proper spec and the dps aren't stupid (purposely pulling off the tank by attacking the wrong thing for instance), then really I can keep my dps to about 2/3 of a dps spec (or more if the tank is well into the habits of using survivability abilities to the point he doesn't need me at all) and have even beat out some lower geared dps.I have been called an idiot for this, (which was amusing to me because if I don't have to heal the tank, why is the tank complaining about me not healing him?), but I find it highly enjoyable and not your boring stand still and heal occasionally thing. Besides, if I do have to heal, then I'm already able to do it without running out of mana.tl;dr - why is anyone trying to heal or tank without being speced for it? These specs are easy to level in as well and dual spec is now cheap and easy. If you don't have 10g by lvl 30, I'll give it to you, you know?
3-27-2012 @ 4:15PM
"What I don't get is - why wouldn't they just spec Prot and insta-queue?"I don't know why they wouldn't spec Prot (they just like Arms better?), but you can still queue as tank no matter your spec if the class has a tank spec, so that Arms warrior would still be getting instant queues.
3-28-2012 @ 3:18AM
@slim1256I am leveling my fifth priest (don't ask!) atm and apart for my first one (which was in BC) i leveled all as disc. it is really easy to kill mobs on the map with holy fire + penance and finish off with a smite (to keep up evanghelism for the increase dmg buf whileyou run to next mob). And (past lvl 30) I que as dps and heal.. it happened a lot of times for the lfg system to assign me to dps (so I would change specs) and then I realize that the "healer" does not have a healing spec... then I try to convince the "healer" to let me heal... so yeah it happensm but up to lvl 50 or so.
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