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4-03-2012 @ 4:11PM
Calling a woman gorgeous is creepy?
4-03-2012 @ 4:20PM
Walk up to a woman on the street and say, "You're some kind of gorgeous, aren't you?" and see how well that goes over.
4-03-2012 @ 4:23PM
If you are not involved with that woman in some sort of dating/marriage way, it absolutely is.
4-03-2012 @ 4:26PM
My eyes still burn.
4-03-2012 @ 4:28PM
Especially if, on the at street, you run into a random Pandaren woman. Context people. Context.
When you've just met them and it's the first thing you say, and then you ask them to join you... Yeah? Kinda?It's sort of about the implication. When someone says, "You look tough! Join me!" it's like, this dude wants me to fight stuff with him, awesome. When they say, "You're gorgeous! Join me!" well, hm. That's... hm.
4-03-2012 @ 4:29PM
That, not at. Stupid comment system...
4-03-2012 @ 4:40PM
This is Responding to TimR:Walk up to any random person, male or female, on the street, and tell them to gather you 15 wild animal pelts. Bet that goes over even worse.
4-03-2012 @ 4:51PM
If a man came up to me on the street and said 'you're some kinda gorgeous, aren't you' to me, I'd be looking for the men in white coats and making sure the poor sod got his medication. Seriously though, yes, it is a little creepy in a real life context, but in a game, one panda to another, I'm not that bothered. I can't remember which ones offhand, but some of the /silly emotes are just as creepy.
4-03-2012 @ 4:53PM
I recommend reading this to truly understand it:http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/03/the-terror-of-catcalling-ctd-1.html
4-03-2012 @ 4:56PM
No, it's the "I bet you can't keep the men off you" part that makes it creepy. I'll explain.Look at it this way, he calls the men strong, and says "you're all the rage with the ladies." This is like saying that the male Pandaran has many admirers because of his battle-prowess, and is strong so he can choose which of those admirers he wants to pursue or not.When he says the women are gorgeous and "I bet you can't keep the men off you," it's like saying that the female Pandaran is too weak to fend off any admirers she isn't interested in. Also it says that these are admirers she has because of her looks (something she is born with) and not her battle-prowess (which she trained hard to get).It's possible that the NPC dialogue is intended to be sarcastic, but that doesn't carry in the text of the quest. If there had been voice acting with definite sarcasm, maybe this would not be an issue.
4-03-2012 @ 4:57PM
@EraezayI always imagined the conversation exchange between our players and npcs as going something like:NPC: *looks like they need help.. looking around anxiously* (!)Player: Hey! I'm a helpful person, I shall talk to that distraught looking NPC over there. "Hi Sir/Madam! You see to be in need of help, is there anything I can do?" (Clicking on NPC)NPC: "Yes! All our clothes burned in a fire. I'm a leatherworker but I have no leather. (that burned in the fire too!) Do you think you can aquire 15 wolf belts for me? I will gladly pay you for your time.. and I also have this trinket that was in my pocket.." (Quest Box pops up)Player: Sure! I can do that! I need the money anyways and that trinket looks like exactly what I've been wanting! (Accept button is clicked)NPCs rarely run up to you.. and when they do it's like: Panic! Oh noes! You are famous helpful person that gathered pelts for me earlier, please help me again!
4-03-2012 @ 5:15PM
@SyungBut Ji does not say "you look tough" he says "you've got a strong look to you", and I want to highlight: "I bet you're all the rage with the ladies". Ji is still commenting on the males figure not his combat prowess. Both characters are being objectified, I don't see the difference. Ji is just a character not the person who wrote his dialog and in a game and story that players look for believable "human" interaction why wouldn't some characters be jerks?
4-03-2012 @ 5:12PM
@ Eraezay: Especially if they're a PETA member. But seriously, I was just pointing out that it is rarely appropriate to compliment a stranger on their appearance in that way.The OP's comment actually made me think of a Sexual Harassment video they made us watch in my office a few years ago. It was hilariously bad and outdated, but involved a guy walking up to women complimenting them in creepy ways, and then you would hear the woman's internal monologue regarding how creepy the guy was.
4-03-2012 @ 5:30PM
@NadiaOk it is this kind of post that really makes me think people read into stuff WAAAAYYYY too much.I pretty much agree with what Jacatola said, in either case they are being objectified and in either case he's saying they are popular with the opposite sex. He's using very common phrases to say that too so I just can't see the problem here.It's also probably phrased that way because in most cases (talking about hetero relationships here) the man is the one who first approaches the woman. Say what you will about that being a sexist remark but all it takes it to hang out in a bar or similar establishment a few nights to prove that observation.
4-03-2012 @ 5:40PM
Yeah. But apparently calling them a bitch is ok.
4-03-2012 @ 5:42PM
Before jumping to conclusions about sexism and being creepy, it could simply be culture. In some cultures that comment might be considered acceptable and not given a second thought, even by women of said culture.
4-03-2012 @ 6:12PM
Is walking up to any random guy and saying "Hello, friend! You've got a strong look to you!" any less creepE? The hell do you mean i have a strong look about me! I'm around 150-160 pounds on any given day! I'm lucky if i dont get blow away by the wind! Ladys!!! your walking down the street and a guy say "..." Would you rather it be "you look strong" or "you look gorgeous" ???
4-03-2012 @ 6:09PM
@JacatolaI was paraphrasing for the sake of brevity and directness (and also maybe comedy). The important distinction to make is that Ji comments on how the male looks powerful, making him popular with women. On the other hand, he only talks about the female's physical appearance, making it sound like that's why he wants her to join him. GENDERS! WOO!
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